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Micro four-thirds system users?

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My previous thread about this subject disappeared when this forum was refurbished. I am an enthusiastic amateur photographer and use the MFT system. Would like to hear from others who also use that type of kit.
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I'm an amateur 'user'. I opted for this kind of system for the last few years instead of a DSLR 'system' as I feel like its a good compromise between image quality and portability. I currently use an OM-D EM10 Mk 1 which replaced a Panasonic GM1 which I still have.

I'm still undecided as to whether to sell the GM1 but part of me thinks I should stick on a small lens so I can swap between the two cameras instead of changing lenses as much out in the field.

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I've got an EM1 and an EM5, the 12-40 Pro, a 17mm f/1.8, 25mm f/1.8, 45mm f/1.8 and the 12mm...erm f/2?

I use them alongside my Canon gear (5DIII with a prime set) and prefer the Olympus kit because of the weight and the quality of the lenses. I think it's a superb system and would ditch the Canon gear if it weren't for that certain something you get from a full frame sensor wide open.
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I've gone back and forth to MFT kit from various DSLRs, currently using a old Panasonic G1 and 35mm Prime (Manual f/1.7 £59 from Amazon)
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Woz wrote:I've got an EM1 and an EM5, the 12-40 Pro, a 17mm f/1.8, 25mm f/1.8, 45mm f/1.8 and the 12mm...erm f/2?

I use them alongside my Canon gear (5DIII with a prime set) and prefer the Olympus kit because of the weight and the quality of the lenses. I think it's a superb system and would ditch the Canon gear if it weren't for that certain something you get from a full frame sensor wide open.
I feel that the image quality of the MFT system is really superb and handled well is comparable to many full-frame images in normal size (ie not blown-up). The MFT system is particularly good for landscapes and other outdoor photography where its longer Depth-of-Field can actually be an advantage. IMO, the only disadvantage with the MFT system is with portraits because you need really large apertures to get a bokeh comparable to FF. But with something like PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 Nocticron or Olympus 75mm f1.8, you can get terrific portraits nonetheless.
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I've been shooting MFT with an EM1 for quite a few years and find it easier to carry around than a DSLR. It was easily my choice of camera to take to Australia for 7 months.
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Woz wrote: 12mm...erm f/2?
That is one of MFT's best lenses. Excellent build quality, compact and optically superb. The f2 max aperture is very good for a 24mm FF equivalent and with that sort of focal length, the longer DoF is a definite advantage. If you have not done so already, make sure that you get the compatible hood. Using it greatly improves image quality and abolishes flare. Pity that Olympus did not include it as standard; rather than buy the expensive original hood, go for the JJC one which looks exactly the same and costs less than half as much.
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I'm lookingor an old Panasonic G1
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Raigmore wrote:IMO, the only disadvantage with the MFT system is with portraits because you need really large apertures to get a bokeh comparable to FF. But with something like PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 Nocticron or Olympus 75mm f1.8, you can get terrific portraits nonetheless.
I don't agree - you just need to understand the relationship between aperture, sensor size and subject distance when you consider Depth Of Field.
The 45mm f/1.8 Zuiko lens is superb for portraits - sharp wide open and the 90mm equiv length is perfect for flattering facial features.
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Woz wrote:I don't agree - you just need to understand the relationship between aperture, sensor size and subject distance when you consider Depth Of Field.
The 45mm f/1.8 Zuiko lens is superb for portraits - sharp wide open and the 90mm equiv length is perfect for flattering facial features.
I have been taking photographs for 30 years and so do understand those concepts - yes, even in the digital world.

I agree that Olympus 45mm f1.8 is a superb lens and very good for portraits and especially excellent value for money. But it is not the best portrait lens in the MFT system; the Nocticron and the new Olympus 45mm f1.2 flatter the facial features a lot better, but they are very expensive.

I used to own the 45 mm f1.8 but felt that the build quality was a bit lightweight for my liking and sold it, replacing with the all metal 75 mm f1.8.
I like it the best of all because it is not as expensive as the Nocticron or 45 mm f1.2 PRO and achieves nearly as good results while being significantly lighter and hence easy to use.

Dof wise the 45 mm f1.8 and 75 mm f1.8 are almost identical. At full aperture and a subject distance of 2 metres, the 45 mm gives a DoF of 0.11 m with the furthest point of acceptable focus at 2.06 m or 0.06 m further behind. The equivalent subjetc distance for the 75 mm is 3.34 metres and at that setting the DoF is 0.11 m again with the furthest point at 3.4 m, once again 0.06 metres behind the subject. But the 9 aperture blades of the 75mm offer a superior bokeh to the 7 of the 45mm.
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Woz, just in case that I misunderstood your comment about MFT portrait lenses.

Yes, the system does strive to produce very good portrait lenses and all the ones that we have discussed above are excellent. But we have to accept that the "doubling" of DoF with the MFT system as compared with FF (ie f1.8 translates to f3.6 FF equivalent) is a disadvantage when it compares with FF portrait lenses. To some extent, the proximity (not the size, as this is proportionate to the focal length) of a MFT sensor to the last element of the lens as compared to FF compensates for this to some extent but we have to accept that by its very concept, an MFT portrait lens cannot match its FF competitor like the very heavy and very expensive Canon 85mm f1.2.

But when you consider other types of photography - street, landscape, holidays etc, the MFT system actually is at an advantage. Take the compact and highly portable Olympus 14-150 mm f 4-5.6 II for example; a superb 'holiday lens' and with its 'doubled' DoF, you can set a relatively large aperture like f4 or f4.5 and yet get both your significant other and the Taj Mahal in the background in focus; with a FF system you'd have to step down more to do that. Moreover, if an equivalent 28-300 mm FF lens existed, you may have to leave your underwear behind to make room for such a lens in the luggage.
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I currently use a Panasonic DMC-LX100 for taking pics at gigs I go to; better in some ways than my old Canon G7X but not as portable (fits in a jean pocket if I have nothing else in it).
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we have a G3 and G5 - the G5 can annoy me more as so many controls it's easy to "knock" something. Kept getting bad results and then when I had the screen open rather than eyepiece noticed I'd +3ev - so everything was saturated.

Hence used my lumix compact with a leica lens more - which gets stunning reults.

Went back to G5 and with patience gets good results, also picked up GX80 recently (silly cheap) it's a great tiny camera.

I think my old Olympus DSLR gets better results (even though less pixels) but I've a "pro" lens and a proper macro and with the bigger camera work slower so think a bit more.

If I had to choose would stick to M43!
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wobbly Jelly wrote:
If I had to choose would stick to M43!
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I agree. The portability of the components alone makes the system very user friendly. I can fit-in 2 camera bodies, 8 lenses, 2 full-size flashguns - all within protective cases plus some accessories into a single padded bag that is still light enough and compact enough to be carried on a plane as cabin baggage.

The Olympus 12mm f2 has been around for a few years and still sells well. It is a brilliant landscape lens.
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I'm tempted by the Sony A7, it was going brand new for £509 with 28-70mm kit lens recently. A stunning deal!
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I know that they are very good functionally but I would NEVER choose a Sony camera because the design is so utterly soulless. It might sound archaic but IMO a good amateur photographer should love his kit. Other than portability and flexibility, their retro design and character was something that made me switch to the Olympus MFT system. Contemporary Sony cameras are the ugliest and most characterless jobs that I have ever seen.
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A few in the office have got into a kit war - but I've said to a few, always pick up a camera, how does it feel in your hand(s) to the eye etc That's before you start to use it. As I said the G3 was easier to get to grips with and less to accidentally "change" than the G5.
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My Panasonic LX 100 handles superbly. Very old school with the manual dials and so on, on the camera body and lens. It's quite unique as I don't think there's another camera offering the same sensor size, small size proportions, fast zoom lens combination on the market bar its follow-up.
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I have 2 camera bodies, The Olympus OMD EM5 II and Olympus Pen-F, both in silver and very retro in design. Love both.

My lenses are:

Olympus 12mm f2
Olympus 17mm f1.8
Sigma 30mm f1.4
PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2
Olympus 75mm f1.8
Olympus 7-14mm f2.8 PRO
Olympus 14-150mm f4-5.6 II
Panasonic 100-300mm f4-5.6

I also have the Olympus 8mm fisheye cap lens.
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That's a lot of lenses!

I have about as many as that for my telescope. :D
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