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Old 24-06-2007, 00:07   #1
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Need some help with Yamaha RXV361 Setup!

I was originally going to the the Panny 37PX but went into Selfridges today and saw the TN42PX70 for only £899 [I think it can be had for cheaper elsewhere] and was very tempted.

I don't any surround sound setup at home so was planning to get a 5.1 system at the same time.
The salesman suggested the Panasonic SCPT450 at £299 inc dvd player with small satellites or the SCPT850 with standing speakers [again inc dvd player] at £399

Opinions on any of this and/or other 5.1 setup? I already use my xbox as a media centre so want too bothered about the dvd player [unless that is also the 5.1 decoder?]

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Old 24-06-2007, 16:51   #2
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I'm not really a fan of all-in-one systems basically because they're hard to upgrade, often have a limited range of source inputs plus you're dependable on a single box should it go wrong. My suggestion would be a dedicated AV receiver package such as the Yamaha AV61 (Pixmania sell one in black - the AV3101 which is the European model).

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Old 24-06-2007, 23:04   #3
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Ta.
I have also heard good things of the Sony DAV all-in-1

but there are also these - any good?:

Denon DHT1356XP

http://www.richersounds.com/informat...ecinemasystems
(the £245 one at Richer Sounds)


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Old 25-06-2007, 01:54   #4
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The speaker package in the Richer Sounds system 1 is the same as the one that's supplied with Yamaha's AV61.

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Old 01-07-2007, 13:03   #5
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plan to use my XBMC [old] Xbox as the upscaling DVD player.
I will then need an amp and speakers to complete my home cinema system then wont i?

I have seen xbox xbox HD cables and it is "component out".
Some [the more expensive ones] have an optical out whereas the "monster" ones and even some genuine xbox ones have r/l av out only [5 outsputs].

If I want 5.1 surround sound out of the xbox do i have to get the cable with the optical out?

not up on this surround sound dolby malarky at all!

The hardware setup will be:
plasma/xbox/amp/sky box [non-HD]/vcr [scart]
as well as the HD cable pack out of the xbox to the amp/plasma, what other cables will I need?

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Old 01-07-2007, 20:08   #6
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Yes, you'll need a video cable with optical out socket in order to get 5.1 surround sound - to hook this up to the optical in on your av receiver/all-in-one system you'll need a digital optical cable of suitable length - something like this.

As you surmised, some xbox component cables only provide left/right stereo output. These will have 5 cables; 3 video signal ones and two sound.

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Old 01-07-2007, 20:33   #7
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Thanks Robert.

Just bought this:
Product Link
which I assume fits the bill okay?

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Old 01-07-2007, 21:24   #8
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Thanks Robert.

Just bought this:
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which I assume fits the bill okay?
It does, but you'll still need an optical cable. The official component pack doesn't include one.

I would also echo what others have said regarding all in one systems. While some will give you good results they are rarely very good if you choose to upgrade any part of them. For the same money you can often get a decent AV/receiver and 5 speaker set and run a subless system.

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Old 01-07-2007, 22:18   #9
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I'm confused - the title and description of that item specifically say it includes an optical connection which is the only reason I bought it. Have I misinterpreted something?

Danny, using the xbox as the dvd player I am moving away from am all-in-1 and planning on spending the money on av/5.1 speakers

edit aah okay: it is capable of 5.1 sound but I need the cable to enable it [bought separately] is that correct?
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Old 02-07-2007, 00:15   #10
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Yes, it has the optical socket you need, but not the cable. The cables don't need to be expensive so don't get suckered in by fancy sounding descriptions for optical cables. Just check what length you need and buy the cheapest.
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Note the description for the cable you've bought: Dolby Pro Logic decoding and fibre optic cable required to enable Dolby Surround sound(additional cables required).

The cable you've bought takes care of the video element and stereo as a minimum; also there's a socket that allows you to route the surround sound instead via optical cable. That's why it refers to an optical connection as it allows one. So no you haven't bought the wrong thing, it just requires an additional cable as others have mentioned (and an example of which I linked to in my previous post). This connects the xbox (via the cable you've already bought) to the optical in on the av amp/all-in-one in order for it to be decoded.

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Old 18-10-2007, 21:39   #12
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okay guys the house is now almost habitable and my little sister and pre-empted any inertia about getting a new TV by today flogging of my 27" CRT so I am in the hunt now!
Trying to source a good deal for the Panny TH42PX70Ped [with 5yr warranty]

Also, I need av AV receiver and speaker system [will use the xbox for dvd player].
Budget remains around £250-£300.
Are the ones above still my best bet?
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For the money the Yamaha AV61 package is cracking - good sound quality & easy to upgrade the separate pieces if you want to in the future. I had a similar Yammy package for a few years & was very pleased with it.
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Old 19-10-2007, 13:16   #14
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Given your budget, the AV61 package is still a good choice I think. Alternatively, there's also the Sony HT-DDW790 (5.1) or HT-DDW890 (6.1); the former is £186.10 delivered, with the latter at £231.20 delivered (or less if there are some discount vouchers still floating around). Both from Pixmania

There are a number of threads on AVForums for all of these AV packages (search by the particular model name) - each of them has their fans.

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Old 20-10-2007, 12:54   #15
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Thanks Robert. Even that DDW890 is well within budget and I recall someone/some mag [I was flicking while wait for my train yesterday] also mentioning.

Will check them out.
If you had a choice of the 3 which would you get?
BTW what IS 6.1 sound vs 5.1?
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Old 20-10-2007, 21:32   #16
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Okay chaps I think it is a straight fight between the Sony DDW890 and the
Yamaha AV61 PAckages.

I am leading towards the Sony due to more connectivity [for future proofing inc HDMI connection] but I am a little put off by the extra rear speaker and figure 5.1 sound would be better for me....also Yamaha better sounding maybe?

Attached is a sketch of the room. The TV/SKy?Xbox/Amp would all go on an AV Glass stand in the corner.
I am not sure what to do with the rear speaker though:
I can put the rear right on a stand in a space between the 2 sofa but no space for a stand for Rear Left.
Can I instead mount them [high] on the wall behind the back sofa?

Also whilst the DDW890 does come with speaker cables, what other cabling will I need?

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5.1 = Front left stereo, centre (for dialogue), Front right strereo, rear left (for ambient surround effects), rear right and sub (to handle the rumbling, low frequency bass effects - smaller speakers typically don't have great bass anyway).
6.1 adds an extra rear surround speaker to fill in the ambient sound effects behind you (7.1 adds yet another rear surround speaker).

It doesn't tend to make too much difference, to be honest because the majority of films aren't mastered with 6.1 (or 7.1) surround in mind (- I doubt the xbox would give you anything more than 5.1 anyway would it?). Hence you tend to get more of a pseudo surround effect from it using one of the surround processing modes. It can help fill out the rear surround in the middle if you have a larger room though.

Have a look at the wikipedia page on surround sound as it shows the ideal layout for speakers with 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 systems.

Note, you don't have to connect up the additional rear speaker on the Sony if you don't want to as the AV amp is capable of working in 5.1 surround sound mode instead. But if you have no intention of having 6.1, you may as well go for the DDW790 or AV61.

One consideration between these two systems which may help is the size and shape of the speakers. The speakers on the Sony are larger and hence may be better stand mounted whereas the Yamaha ones are a bit more descrete and hence probably easier to wall mount. How big is your room?

Yes, you can mount the rears high up on the wall although it's not ideal sonically - they're better more towards the sides, mounted virtically at approximate ear level, but often practicalities do have to be taken into consideration as in this instance. You've got a number of seating positions anyway, so the rear wall would seem to involve the least amount of compromises.

Regarding cables, the Sony also comes with a digital coaxial cable which doesn't help with the original xbox (as it's optical only). So you'll also need an optical cable as previously mentioned above. You'll need to make sure you get the correct video lead, as I see it's for an original xbox not the 360 (- I think it requires the Xbox Advanced AV Pack doesn't it along with a stadard component cable?). You'll of course need to check that the supplied speaker cables are long enough in either AV package. You won't need any additional cables, as video can go directly from the xbox to the television - certainly you could send video via the amp which is useful if you have more sources eventually; in that case connect the xbox via component to the AV amp and then buy an additional standard component cable to go between the amp and the television (- note this amp doesn't do any form of conversion only pass-through). You don't need to spend too much on it.

If you want to see more on what the Sony package is like, there are a lot of photos in this thread (page 4 of that thread you can also find a link to the manual in pdf format).

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I am leaning towards the Sony as it seems to have even more connectivity than the Yamaha [it being black will appeal to the missus too!]
Mind you depends really if I get a monster deal on the Yamaha when I buy the TV if I get from Richer Sounds....

MY concern though is with the size of the Sony speakers. They are a tad large which is usually good but in this case I wonder if it would be possible to wall-mount them [the rear ones]?
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There's no issue with wallmounting the sony rear speakers providing they're being mounted on a solid wall - you don't get screws/rawplugs supplied, but there's a mounting hole/hook on the back of each speaker - if you have a look at the pdf manual linked to above (page 16), you can see this in more detail.

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good stuff. Yep it will be solid wall.
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