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Old 18-03-2019, 16:55   #801
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Can you prove you own the account you don't have access to? If you contacted the hosting company, they might be able to 'break' the DNS-ing?

Is the account you don't have access to still alive? Once the domain name expires, isn't the DNS record removed? So, if you create a new website, and assign that domain name to that website? (ie, account).
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Can you prove you own the account you don't have access to? If you contacted the hosting company, they might be able to 'break' the DNS-ing?

Is the account you don't have access to still alive? Once the domain name expires, isn't the DNS record removed? So, if you create a new website, and assign that domain name to that website? (ie, account).
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It was a bit of a hypothetical question, as I have been contacted by someone who has a website but the person who built it has gone off the radar - they built the website, hosted it on their account and registered the domain name for them, so now they don't have access, ownership or control over any of it.

I think the best option is to start fresh with a new website, now domain name and a new hosting account.

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Old 19-03-2019, 07:31   #803
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Hmmm ... it couldn't work like that, cos otherwise people would steal sites.
I want product.com, so find that it's hosted by ABC.
I set up a new hosting account with ABC, and create a new website that wants to be product.com ... won't work.

But in your scenario, I would try to find the original developer (he may well be happy to hand everything over).
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Hmmm ... it couldn't work like that, cos otherwise people would steal sites.
I want product.com, so find that it's hosted by ABC.
I set up a new hosting account with ABC, and create a new website that wants to be product.com ... won't work.

But in your scenario, I would try to find the original developer (he may well be happy to hand everything over).
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Apparently the original developer isn't being very helpful and/or can't be contacted any more.

The original developer purchased and owns the domain name, which expires later this year, and apparently would only sell it for a very high price.

So, one thought was to wait until it expires and quickly buy it at a standard price but there is the worry the original developer will just renew it with the hope of selling it on at a very high price.

I think it's best to buy a new but similar domain name - there is one available with a hyphen between the two names.

They don't use an email address linked to the domain name either, so that wouldn't be a problem.

Just out of interest, what is the best practice when building a website for a client, so that a similar thing doesn't happen?

Most of the time a client will just wants you to manage everything - purchase the domain name, host the website on your account, etc. But if you drop dead they won't have access to anything.

Giving them an admin account for the website would allow them to hand over management of that to a new developer. Also, that would also allow them to package and move the website to a new hosting account, but they wouldn't have ownership of the domain name until it expired and then they can repurchase it.

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Old 19-03-2019, 10:48   #805
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> there is one available with a hyphen

Just my two-penneth. Avoid hyphens. I work for call-assist, so they've got call-assist.co.uk. All day I hear people give out our website or email address 'call dash assist ... no, that's a dash, not dash ... hyphen ... yes, a line .... so that ... sod it, I'll drop you an email ....". You may as well register r.dot-dash.co.uk - that'd be great to read out...

As for the 'client' side of things, I guess it depends on the size of the client. A big company, or Terry the Plumber? A big company couldn't lose their domain (its one of their biggest assets - all their marketing it built around it?) so I'd assume you'd use a solicitors as a middleman. Bit like a will I guess - "in the event of the company going poof, I hand over all rights to XYZ.com. Until then, keep your grubby mitts off." but a bit more legal speak....
Technically, its you who owns the name, rights, etc - the company is just 'renting' it from you? Depends on the agreement when the client was set up. Its a bit like software - you don't own it, but 'rent' it, etc. Even though you hold the physical media. I'm wobbling now, on something I don't really know anything about.
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> there is one available with a hyphen

Just my two-penneth. Avoid hyphens. I work for call-assist, so they've got call-assist.co.uk. All day I hear people give out our website or email address 'call dash assist ... no, that's a dash, not dash ... hyphen ... yes, a line .... so that ... sod it, I'll drop you an email ....". You may as well register r.dot-dash.co.uk - that'd be great to read out...

As for the 'client' side of things, I guess it depends on the size of the client. A big company, or Terry the Plumber? A big company couldn't lose their domain (its one of their biggest assets - all their marketing it built around it?) so I'd assume you'd use a solicitors as a middleman. Bit like a will I guess - "in the event of the company going poof, I hand over all rights to XYZ.com. Until then, keep your grubby mitts off." but a bit more legal speak....
Technically, its you who owns the name, rights, etc - the company is just 'renting' it from you? Depends on the agreement when the client was set up. Its a bit like software - you don't own it, but 'rent' it, etc. Even though you hold the physical media. I'm wobbling now, on something I don't really know anything about.
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I know what you mean about the hyphen. I think they can get a ".com" version rather than the original ".co.uk" without the need for the hyphen. But I think that will cost more. I'll suggest it to them.

It's just a "Terry the Plumber" company.

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> which expires later this year, and apparently would only sell it for a very high price.

My memory is hazy, but wasn't there laws or things to stop this? I know years ago companies would buy mmicrosoft.com or aamazon.com (or even amazon.co.uk before amazon could buy it) to catch people who misspelt websites, and the main companies would be charged thousands to buy those domains. SO something was set up so only companies who could prove their purchase of that domain was legit and they weren't 'cybersquatting' or whatnot. Aah, may only be a US thing. Presume that still applies if its a .com address though?
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> It's just a "Terry the Plumber" company.

.biz names might be cheaper than a .com ? Or just a .uk? Or just add 'online' to the end of the old domain! haha!
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Loads of places sell a .com for less than $10 - I've just moved over to PorkBun - cheap, smooth transfer, good dashboard, no issues.

Trying to 'snipe' an expiring domain is tricky - there are companies that specialise in doing that, and hoover up all the best ones (highest traffic). So as a layman you're best off using some sort of tool cos the exact expiry date/time isn't set in stone, annoyingly (a variable grace period for the previous owner, afaik).

Standard advice is to register domains with 1 company, have web-hosting with another, so that applies to Terry the Plumber too - if he couldn't personally register his domain, ask a relative rather than his webdev (who would then hold all the power).
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I think they can get a ".com" version rather than the original ".co.uk" without the need for the hyphen.
You're in luck! Nominet are very business friendly - I had a case a few years ago where the business had been using the domain but due to a dispute with a previous web developer he was holding it ransom. I got in touch with Nominet (think the dispute resolution department), supplied proof of the business of the same name, proof of the historic use of the name (archive.org if it's down) and they then ruled that the business had legitimate use and transferred it over for the standard registration fee.
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