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Old 06-10-2009, 15:41   #81
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Wow...what a lot of hot air this thread has created!!

...it's only an 'extra feature', as far as I can tell the film has been given a wonderful restoration and is presented as it was intended. The technique of colorization (...to use it's american spelling) is quite interesting, the only clips I've seen have been dreadfully gimmicky and in no way would I watch such material as it would ruin the viewing experience...however, the screen grabs for this one look pretty good and I for one am looking forward to seeing it! In no way would I ever consider the B/W version to be anything other than the definitive version, but I'm kinda curious about this one.

...stands a chance I'll never watch the colour version again, but then I hardly watch the extras on DVDs/BDs anyway...it's all about the movie for me!!
I think they're offering the B/W version as a special feature, and as a concession to the handful of crinklies with quaint views on how a movie should be presented.
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Old 06-10-2009, 17:09   #82
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The B&W version is on Disc 01 bosque, it is not there as an extra feature.
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Old 06-10-2009, 17:25   #83
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BTW, for future reference, I think you'll find your personal attacks will read so much better when you spell words like vitriol properly.
OH NOES!!! I spelt vitriol with an e on the end, well that completely negates everything I've said so far in this thread doesn't it?

I actually think it is a fair observation to describe your posts in this thread as vitriolic, so if you think my previous comment was a personal attack you must live a very charmed life. Still, our debate has reached a total impasse (I'm pretty sure there's an e on the end of that one! ) so I agree it should be dropped.

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Old 06-10-2009, 21:33   #84
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Would you please explain what is 'high and mighty' about preferring to watch films the way they were actually made?
Nothing.
But why have a hissy fit just because colorised versions are available.
You're not forced to watch them.

All colorised Blurays that I know of have included the B&W original too so who cares ?
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Old 06-10-2009, 21:40   #85
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Well I've been down this road before and have often stated my conviction that the colorisation process stinks, both aesthetically and in principle. I really don't feel like going into all the arguments again, suffice to say I do not buy this argument that there are hordes of budding film buffs out there just aching to get into older movies if only they weren't presented in damned B&W.
Well there are .
Ever wondered about the lack of B&W material on broadcast tv.

Its because nobody watches it - at least not enough people.

There are obvious B&W films that would never be colorised like Psycho,Citizen Kane etc but like it or not B&W stuff does not appeal to the IPOD generation .

But the real mystery is why it bothers you that this material is available.

The 80's idea that these would replace the original versions has quite clearly not come to pass so why worry.

Colorisation has quite rightly been shunned by most people for 2 decades but Legend films are now able to colorise to a level that makes the material of interest to people who previously would not have looked at B&W product.

All the Bluray releases feature colour and B&W so there's the ideal solution and you choose what you want to see.

Nobody is removing your option to see things how they were made.

Does the "angle" button not work on your player?
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Actually it's not just my opinion - both Capra and Jimmy Stewart are on record as being opposed to the colorisation of this film.

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And quite right they were too when they saw the 80's colouring book look of that colourisation- all the stuff done back then like the Laurel & Hardy films were all rubbish.

As neither of them saw the current version your comment is outdated.

But todays colourisation is far better.
Bewitched looks as if it was made in colour.

And Ray Harryhausen has given approval for the 3 films he made for Columbia in B&W
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Those DVDbeaver shots of the standard DVD look great - especially how they have coloured Donna Reed.. can't wait to see this.
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Woody Allen famously never watches his films once he's finished filming them.

I wonder then; if he saw a colourised version of Manhattan, would he find it odd? Presumably he's never seen in it B&W and will remember that everything was in colour on the set?

Why don't we think about that for a while instead of tearing lumps into each other...
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so anyone see any screenshots of the blu ray? (out Monday) really want to see shots of the coloured version*



*and I am not joking
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HMV delivered my copy to me on Wednesday. Some good can come of those threats of postal strikes!

Overall the colour is convincing and unobtrusive. James Stewart occasionally comes close to having the skin tone of a zombie, and hair colour can be seen to change multiple times in a single scene, but other than that it's a refreshing way of viewing a movie I watch every year. I love the look of the neon signs in Pottersville.

Above all else, the actual clarity of the picture in both versions (I haven't watched the B&W one in its entirety as I need to save something for Christmas Eve!) is far better than I was expecting. The stingy extras mean this is far from a definitive release, but if you just want to watch the film in HD, then it gets my recommendation.

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Does it not have the dvd extras ?

Thats the donkeys years old featurette with Tom Bosley and some comments from Capras son
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Old 31-10-2009, 18:41   #92
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The Beaver's review of the Blu-ray here.

I have to say it does look excellent - just a pity there's no way to filter out those vomit inducing colorized screencaps
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I just hope the Universal UK release is an identical picture encode, I guess at some point soon that'll get confirmed or not. Looks like the UK gets better "extras" with the PiP stuff (pretty pointless but still).
Cha, is the UK release one disc or two? If both versions are on one disc over here I'm getting the US release.

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Apparently the US Bluray has lost the Frank Capra documentary.

The UK release is even worse as it has squeezed both colour and B&W versions onto a single disc whereas the US gives each version its own dual layer Blu disc

Seems the US release was the right choice after all
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Apparently the US Bluray has lost the Frank Capra documentary.

The UK release is even worse as it has squeezed both colour and B&W versions onto a single disc whereas the US gives each version its own dual layer Blu disc

Seems the US release was the right choice after all
mmm wonder if theres a difference in PQ compared to the dvd beaver US screens
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Cha, is the UK release one disc or two? If both versions are on one disc over here I'm getting the US release.
One disc, but I'll be impressed if the US version looks any better than what I saw the other night.
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Overall the colour is convincing and unobtrusive. James Stewart occasionally comes close to having the skin tone of a zombie, and hair colour can be seen to change multiple times in a single scene, but other than that it's a refreshing way of viewing a movie I watch every year. I love the look of the neon signs in Pottersville.
Is it actually physically possible to colorise a B/W movie unobtrusively ? If it were unobtrusive it would mean you could hardly notice the vandalisation and I don't think that is what you are implying here.
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One disc, but I'll be impressed if the US version looks any better than what I saw the other night.
Thanks for confirming, Cha.
Surely a whole disc for one version would mean a better overall presentation though? I hope the beaver or someone does a comparison for the curious.
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I just hope the Universal UK release is an identical picture encode
So the UK release is from Universal and it has both versions of the film on one disc? I wouldn't bet money that it matches the 40Mbps US transfers.
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can anyone comment on the B&W transfer...is it pin sharp like for example Casablanca?
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