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Old 06-10-2009, 07:01   #41
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First they complained that it was only available in b&w, then the studio offered a colorised version as well -, and then the b&w was only available as an extra feature on a collector's edition, finally somebody told them the film was originally shot in b&w:

"In what ! Are you crazy !?!"
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First they complained that it was only available in b&w, then the studio offered a colorised version as well -, and then the b&w was only available as an extra feature on a collector's edition, finally somebody told them the film was originally shot in b&w:

"In what ! Are you crazy !?!"
you seriously need to read the posts you are replying to as you haven't got a clue how to respond constructively and i don't like the way you insult people by calling them crazy...enough said

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Well I've been down this road before and have often stated my conviction that the colorisation process stinks, both aesthetically and in principle. I really don't feel like going into all the arguments again, suffice to say I do not buy this argument that there are hordes of budding film buffs out there just aching to get into older movies if only they weren't presented in damned B&W.
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Well I've been down this road before and have often stated my conviction that the colorisation process stinks, both aesthetically and in principle. I really don't feel like going into all the arguments again, suffice to say I do not buy this argument that there are hordes of budding film buffs out there just aching to get into older movies if only they weren't presented in damned B&W.
that's only your opinion and there are plenty of people out there who might disagree with you....as I said have a bit of consideration for people who would like to watch this in colour
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Actually it's not just my opinion - both Capra and Jimmy Stewart are on record as being opposed to the colorisation of this film.

As for considering other views, I don't see how that comes into it when we're talking about presenting things wrongly. After all, there are those who prefer to watch widescreen movies in full screen, or Academy ratio either artificially matted or stretched to fit 16:9. Those preferences are about as valid as crayoning in B&W movies, so no I don't spend a lot of time giving them consideration.
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Actually it's not just my opinion - both Capra and Jimmy Stewart are on record as being opposed to the colorisation of this film.

As for considering other views, I don't see how that comes into it when we're talking about presenting things wrongly. After all, there are those who prefer to watch widescreen movies in full screen, or Academy ratio either artificially matted or stretched to fit 16:9. Those preferences are about as valid as crayoning in B&W movies, so no I don't spend a lot of time giving them consideration.
we are not talking about widescreen or fullscreen but I take your point that Capra and Stewart may have wanted it in Black and White but time has moved on has it not since we are talking about how to market a blu-ray which didn't exist in their time and showing it in high defintion which didn't exist in their time either...As to presenting things wrongly that again is only your opinion and it's interesting you don't give a lot of consideration to what other people may want by your own admission.......

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there are plenty of people out there who might disagree ....as I said have a bit of consideration for people who would like to watch this in colour
...and some people like to turn their TV sets sideways so they can watch 4:3 movies in widescreen. Who are we to say that they're wrong !?!
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...and some people like to turn their TV sets sideways so they can watch 4:3 movies in widescreen. Who are we to say that they're wrong !?!
exactly....
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And who wants to listen to old black and white actors? Why not overdub Stewart and Reed with Clooney and Zellweger? Sadly, that probably would sell more blu-rays.
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we are not talking about widescreen or fullscreen but I take your point that Capra and Stewart may have wanted it in Black and White but time has moved on has it not since we are talking about how to market a blu-ray which didn't exist in their time and showing it in high defintion which didn't exist in their time either...As to presenting things wrongly that again is only your opinion and it's interesting you don't give a lot of consideration to what other people may want by your own admission.......
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sorry but again no need to be sarcastic with your inept reply...equally tells me where you might be coming from....The whole discussion point of this thread started off by the announcement of one of the greatest films of all time (my opinion only others may differ) and now its turned into a stupid argument as to whether the film should have been given an optional colourised version ...I feel that to sum up if people want to watch this version then fine what harm is there in that...The purists of the black and white genre may disagree with this then tough...about time you thought on other people as well...

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And who wants to listen to old black and white actors? Why not overdub Stewart and Reed with Clooney and Zellweger? Sadly, that probably would sell more blu-rays.
now there is ways of twisting an argument and you seem to have done that just fine with that statement...please stick to the subject in question as this is just plain silly...

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now there is ways of twisting an argument and you seem to have done that just fine with that statement...please stick to the subject in question as this is just plain silly...
Well actually, your justification of the colorisation process seems to be that it will rope in more blu-ray buyers (as you point out, high definition didn't exist in the 40s). If colouring in a film will snag more punters it's reasonable to assume that the same people are more likely to want to watch this if it has a few more modern names attached.
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Listen Ben, every time a fact is presented you come back with the old "well, it's my opinion" line. I'm sure there are those who prefer to see It's a Wonderful Life in garish crayoned in form. I'm equally sure there are those who believe the world to be flat, or the moon to be made of cheese etc. That's their opinion - I'm happy for them. However, it doesn't make them right or require me to take that opinion into account.
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BTW, there may not have been HD in 1946 but there was 35mm film, the resolution of which far exceeds anything that Blu-ray is capable of.
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Well actually, your justification of the colorisation process seems to be that it will rope in more blu-ray buyers (as you point out, high definition didn't exist in the 40s). If colouring in a film will snag more punters it's reasonable to assume that the same people are more likely to want to watch this if it has a few more modern names attached.
no that's not my justification....Even if this film had been in black and white it was in standard definition at the time of Capra/Stewart....time has moved on and it has changed anyway in format in that it is now available in high definition on blu-ray....I simply think that if people who may not be purists want an option to watch this film in colour then why not....I personally prefer watching the film in Black and White and understand where people are coming from in this viewpoint however I would be opened minded enough to see where people may want to watch it in colour....
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BTW, there may not have been HD in 1946 but there was 35mm film, the resolution of which far exceeds anything that Blu-ray is capable of.
totally agree and have to say they don't make them like that anymorehowever we are talking about a medium today from vhs-dvd-hd-dvd-blu-ray that didn't exist in that time....
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What R2 colour dvd? It's only been B&W here on dvd. There was a hideous colourised vhs in the 80s though.
He probably means the Keanu Reeves remake (with Nick Cage as the angel)!
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All this talk of B&W vs colour. Pfft, if you're not watching it on BBC2 on a portable TV in the kitchen with the occasional bit of interference, then you're really not watching it properly at all.
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David Lynch bemoans the fact that people watch movies on small TVs and computers, so most people who watch his stuff are seeing it in a manner that he believes diminishes his work. Once you let the stuff out into the wild, the audience will do with it what it wants, director be damned.
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