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Old 06-09-2004, 13:55   #21
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Surprised it was a double amaray, are Criterion still using these?
Yes, I think Videodrome was in the same kind of case.
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Old 06-09-2004, 14:05   #22
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It's actually a dual-alpha , and yes, Criterion "still" use these for their 2-disc sets. I think part of it could be so that there is enough room for the large booklets they usually include.
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Old 25-11-2004, 16:25   #23
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What's what on DVD...

Reviving this to round up where we are, right now, Peckinpah wise. The best releases are:

Osterman Weekend, The (1983) - excellent 2-disc set, the R1 Anchor Bay beats the R2 equivalent for including the original mono soundtrack.
Convoy (1978) - the German R2 release is anamorphic and uncut.
Cross of Iron (1977) - Warners R2 is about the best there is right now; in need of a better release though.
The Killer Elite (1975) - MGM's R1 just beats out the R2 because it contains an 8-page booklet, but there doesn't seem to be an anamorphic release out there?
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974) - available in R3, but better in R1, complete with commentary from the knowledgable team it used for Junior Bonner - coming R2, but does it have the commentary?
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973) - part of the Warners Peckinpah box coming Jan. '06 as a 2-discer, and the longest version yet seen.
The Getaway (1972) - now released as 'Deluxe Edition' with decent extras in R1, the DE is due for release in R2 later this year.
Junior Bonner (1972) - MGM's R1 disc might be non-anamorphic, but it's an otherwise excellent transfer and features a superb commentary track. Easily beats the p&s R2.
Straw Dogs (1971) - the R1 Criterion is easily the best version, but is now OOP, but still available here and there. However, Freemantle's R2 is packed with extras, but the transfer is not quite as good as the R1. The recently released barebones R1 disc from MGM has a transfer to match the Criterion. Alledgedly.
The Ballad of Cable Hogue (1970) - part of that 2006 Warners box.
The Wild Bunch (1969) - R2 is the current winner with decent extras and an anamorphic transfer; but all are flippers. However, this will be the jewel in that Warners box set - a remastered 2-disc SE, chock full of extras.
Noon Wine (1966) (TV) - no sign, no rumours.
Major Dundee (1965) - Sony/Columbia's recently released R1 is excellent, commentary, extras, coming to R2 as well.
Ride the High Country (1962) - no current release, part of that much-anticipated Warners box; Sam Peckinpah Legendary Westerns Box Set.
The Deadly Companions (1961) - made it's way into the public domain with no less than four releases from PD specialists in R1; as to quality, I can't find a damn thing (but the fact that this 'scope film is full frame on all releases is enough to know). However Japan has produced a no frills anamorphic OAR disc that is apparently pretty good, if expensive.

Feel free to post any amendments/additions - if you know of better releases, we need to hear of 'em!

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Old 25-11-2004, 19:52   #24
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Watched "Convoy" again last night and, as usual, thoroughly enjoyed it. It's far from being a good film but the cinematography of those massive trucks set against the great blue open is quite intoxicating and the editing - of footage which was often near unusable - is a thing of wonder. I'm also becoming a big fan of Kris Kristofferson at the moment having watched "Cisco Pike", "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" and "Pat Garrett" in recent days. Shame about Ali McGraw, but it's not hard to tune her out.
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Old 25-11-2004, 20:44   #25
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Just to note as well that the R3 korean dvd is released by MGM and not by a korean studio.

I could see the R1 being near enough exactly the same as the R3 except with an added commentary on the R1 spec wise, though maybe the R1 will have a better transfer. (i also like the look of the cover on the korean dvd better - no big red border - but thats never a deciding factor in buying a dvd for me, just a by the way)
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I'm also becoming a big fan of Kris Kristofferson at the moment having watched "Cisco Pike", "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" and "Pat Garrett" in recent days.
I've always, always wanted to see what he's like in The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea...

It's an adaptation of one of my favourite Mishima novels and I've never tracked it down... it seems absolutely forgotten. Probably deservedly but, well, I'd still like to see it...

Anyone seen it? You, Mike? I'd love to know what it's like...

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And, of course, KK excels in the mighty Heaven's Gate
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And, of course, KK excels in the mighty Heaven's Gate
Heavens Gate is Kris Kristofferson's finest hour.
Lone Star runs a close second.
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"Heaven's Gate" is indeed a masterpiece and I have scolded myself roundly for omitting it. KK is the best reason to watch the "Blade" movies as far as I'm concerned - shame he's not playing Blade though

Anephric: I saw "Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea" when it played in cinemas back in the 70s and was a bit underwhelmed by it according to my diary. I quote "Saw new film with Sarah Miles and Kris Kristofferson. Average." That's the kind of terse criticism I urgently need to get back to. As I recall, KK is fine in it but the pacing is incredibly slow and the sex scenes are overlong and hopelessly unerotic. Would be well worth another look though. I agree, the novel is a work of genius.

PS: Isn't it nice that we are remembering "Heaven's Gate" as a classic, 24 years after it was pronounced dead at birth. The best really does last, no matter how cynical we might be sometimes.
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Interesting link here about Heaven's Gate
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Mmmmmm wish I lived nearer.... that documentary would go very nicely on a brand new SE of "Heaven's Gate" wouldn't it.
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Anephric: I saw "Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea" when it played in cinemas back in the 70s and was a bit underwhelmed by it according to my diary. I quote "Saw new film with Sarah Miles and Kris Kristofferson. Average." That's the kind of terse criticism I urgently need to get back to. As I recall, KK is fine in it but the pacing is incredibly slow and the sex scenes are overlong and hopelessly unerotic. Would be well worth another look though. I agree, the novel is a work of genius.
Ta, Mike. I'd still very much like to see it. 20-year-old ex-rental VHS, here I come...
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I can quite easily see Warners returning to Heaven's Gate; and that documentary would indeed be perfect. Wonder what contribution Kristofferson will make - if any - to a Pat Garrett SE? A commentary would be nice...
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How about a commentary teaming Kristofferson with Dylan... can't see the great man revealing much but it's a tempting thought.
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Ta, Mike. I'd still very much like to see it. 20-year-old ex-rental VHS, here I come...
No need. S'out already.

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Wow.

I've been waiting an absolute age for this and there was no sign of it last time I went rambling on a search.

You are the absolute don, sir.



EDIT: No wonder I couldn't find it, only Amazon seem to stock it, for some reason... picked it up off Amazon Marketplaces for about £8...

You have no idea how perversely excited I am by the prospect of finally getting to see this... I have a severe Mishima fetish...
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I can quite easily see Warners returning to Heaven's Gate; and that documentary would indeed be perfect.
The current DVD is by MGM.

Top western. I erronously held off buying / watching it for years, shame on me. Cimino's the man!

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Always pleased to see any appreciation society emerge especially when it is about my all time hero Kris K.

Echo what has been said about Heaven's Gate. Been in my top 50 list ever since BBC2 showed it way back when.

If I live a fifth of the life he has then I will leave this earth a happy man. Son of an airforce General, Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, Boxing Blue, US Army Captain and helicopter Pilot. The finest singer songwriter of his generation behind Dylan. Writer, poet, reformed alcoholic, womaniser accomplished actor, married three times and father of four. Highly political and outspoken on Central and Native American issues. 2004 inducted into the CMA Hall of Fame.
" I guess this means I'm old"

Finest hour? - magnificent in Garrett and of course Heaven's Gate but his greatest performance in my opinion, if least sympathetic, was in 'Lone Star' (Sayles 1996).

'Willie old buddy please tell me again
The reason to keep goin' on
He said, "There's no harder words to say over a friend
Than they done you so righteously wrong
They stopped you from singin' your song."

But not me.'
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The current DVD is by MGM.
Doh! Quite right (I want everything to be put out by Warners...)

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Cimino's the man!
In this thread, at least, it's Peckinpah...

As much as I admire Heaven's Gate much of the 'ego out of control' allegations made by Stephen Bach do seem to have had some validity. Do the ends always justify the means? Discuss...

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Mentioned the Criterion Straw Dogs a few posts ago; I notice that it's still available - though showing 'low stock' - at dvdpacific.com for just under £15 plus p&p here.
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