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Old 30-06-2019, 14:35   #261
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Old 30-06-2019, 14:37   #262
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Ferrari talking to the stewards, predictably
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Old 30-06-2019, 14:48   #263
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For me it should be a penalty. They were alongside each other all round the corner and Max pushed him all 4 wheels off the track.

Put it this way, if that was Monaco and a driver pushed another driver over the track limits and into the wall round a corner like that, everybody would be foaming at the mouth for a penalty.

I've got a feeling they won't do anything, but if the they are being consistent with the rules, they should.
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Old 30-06-2019, 14:49   #264
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Verstappen would be fuming if that move had been done to him.
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Old 30-06-2019, 14:53   #265
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For my mind the mistake was made yesterday by Ferrari running softs in Q2, if they’d had meds’ they could have run a lot longer into the race and ....

Anyway Christian is right, Simon did double down and said the rest of the year in those lederhosen.
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Old 30-06-2019, 15:08   #266
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I'm torn on that move.

Arguably Leclerc could have conceded since Verstappen was fully alongside and on the inside. Otherwise could the overtaken driver could always just hold on around the outside and then get to say they were pushed wide. Would Leclerc have done the same if that was a gravel trap outside or would he have conceded the corner earlier and tried to get him on the switchback?

I need to see a couple more replays, but that would be on my mind if I were a steward.
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Old 30-06-2019, 15:18   #267
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I’m already looking forward to Palmers in depth telemetry analysis .
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I don’t like the way Max is talking about the investigation, “win or lose it’s been a great day” or lose, why would he talk like that?
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Old 30-06-2019, 15:38   #269
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People say they want consistent decisions - except when they don't.

They need to review rules and how they plan to apply them before the season starts perhaps, though I don't think it'll have much effect.
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Old 30-06-2019, 16:28   #270
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It should be simple : forcing someone off the track is penalised. The drivers wanted that rule.
Partly for safety, and partly because of Maldonado.

But what is ‘forcing’?
Is accidentally or unintentionally forcing someone off the track just the same?
If you late break into a corner, or the car understeers, and you definitely weren’t trying to force someone off, but you do... that perhaps is the question.

Is intention relevant?
Are the circumstances relevant?
Or is it a blanket rule regardless of intent, timing, circumstance and outcome?

It’s a bit like that whole ‘gaining an advantage’ thing. They only seem to award it if it resulted in an immediate overtake or catch up. If it didn’t they let it slide.l despite the fact that gaining a few seconds by cutting a corner could definitely be advantageous a few laps later in the pit windows and undercut.

There will always be nuance and exception.
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Old 30-06-2019, 16:44   #271
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Allowing drivers to complete overtakes by pushing drivers off track isn't helping the sport. If he'd given Leclerc room, he'd have been able to come back at him all the way down to the next corner and beyond. More exciting racing can be had by making them do clean overtakes, not by allowing them to completely close the door on drivers and removing any opportunity.

The best moments in this race were when both drivers were competing and hustling each other trying to get by through several corners. If you just make it a sport of stuffing it up the inside on a corner then pushing the car off track round the outside, you're making it a much less interesting, much less exciting, and crucially a much less fair fight.
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Old 30-06-2019, 16:45   #272
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5 sec penalty for Max confirmed. The right decision IMO, even if it is a disappointing way for a GP to be decided. For all the reasons I stated above.

Edit - Looks like it was fake news. Still waiting for an official decision

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Old 30-06-2019, 16:45   #273
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It's so difficult, and ignoring DRS fly-by's then many overtakes have an element to some extent of forcing the overtaken driver to back off or risk a crash or trip to a run-off area.

This one has me conflicted. It's reasonably common to crowd on the exit in F1 (I remember it being completely tolerated in turn 1 in Austin a couple of years back for example) and there's an argument to say the defending driver could back off earlier as they can see they will have no space.

I've seen Ricciardo dive-bombs that were heavily praised that could easily have gone the same way (and even been much more blatant), but the defending driver backed off to avoid a crash.

Counter to that is Verstappen today turned in late and missed the apex, which is part of the reason there was no space outside, and he also was side-by-side but not obviously ahead.

Got a feeling it will end up being a penalty, especially in the current climate.
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Deleted - stewards decision still pending.

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Old 30-06-2019, 16:50   #275
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Sorry, fake news apparently. Someone faked a FIA statement. What a tosser.

Still waiting but they have come out of seeing the stewards.
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Regardless of the outcome today, it would be interesting to see Leclerc's opinion on this one from last year that someone pointed out on a thread on the Autosport forums:

https://youtu.be/CueULh46FDg?t=86 (1:26 if it doesn't go straight there.)
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https://twitter.com/mutesa_/status/1...897075713?s=19

I think its safe to say drivers only care about themselves and whine about anything that goes against them.
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Old 30-06-2019, 17:48   #278
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Quote:
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Regardless of the outcome today, it would be interesting to see Leclerc's opinion on this one from last year that someone pointed out on a thread on the Autosport forums:

https://youtu.be/CueULh46FDg?t=86 (1:26 if it doesn't go straight there.)
That one, he was already by him in a flash. Not battling all round the corner.
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"racing incident"

probably correct...

but you could easily argue it either way.
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