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Old 27-09-2007, 22:30   #1
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Manchester United Thread (Premier League Champs ) !!!

Ok guys lets keep this on track please ...!!!! ......
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Old 27-09-2007, 23:03   #2
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The Football Association has charged Chelsea for failing to control their players during the 2-0 defeat away at Manchester United on Sunday.

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Old 28-09-2007, 04:30   #3
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I have no problem with us being charged, but where the **** is the consistency? Your players surrounded the referee to get Mikel sent off, but again this was ignored, and Ferguson turned the air blue after Joe Cole's tackle on Ronaldo, yet again, zero action.

Just confirms what I thought about that entire encounter.
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I have no problem with us being charged, but where the **** is the consistency? Your players surrounded the referee to get Mikel sent off, but again this was ignored, and Ferguson turned the air blue after Joe Cole's tackle on Ronaldo, yet again, zero action.

Just confirms what I thought about that entire encounter.

The United players didnt raise their hand to prevent the referee showing the red card.
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Old 28-09-2007, 07:24   #5
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The United players didnt raise their hand to prevent the referee showing the red card.
And if you read the report of the charge, that wasn't taken into account so Lou has a point.
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Old 28-09-2007, 07:38   #6
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I didn't really watch it that closely but I didn't really think the United players 'surrounded' the ref and tried to get Mikel sent off. There were 2-3 players looking to the ref for action (IIRC, you could see Wes Brown mouth something), but it wasn't like a D'Urso incident was it?

I think Chelsea's charge is a bit harsh, but more to do with John Terry trying to take Dean's card out of his hand.
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And if you read the report of the charge, that wasn't taken into account so Lou has a point.
It doesn't say it wasn't taken into account. It says it was included in the ref's report but Terry hasn't been charged separately. For all any of us know it could be what led the FA to charge Chelsea. They have a habit of not taking action against England captains - ask Shearer!

Lou, FWIW its the price of success. Successful clubs often get made examples of over the smallish stuff, yet get away with (or minor punishments) bending the rules on bigger stuff. The FA has balls the size of peanuts and will never sanction one of the big teams heavily for anything that might involve points deductions etc but if they can make a big show of fining the club or player and giving out bans they do. Personally I don't think Chelsea did any more or any less than Utd in that game, ironically, with the exception of JT who did try to grab the ref's card and who should be charged.
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Old 28-09-2007, 07:39   #8
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and Ferguson turned the air blue after Joe Cole's tackle on Ronaldo, yet again, zero action.

Just confirms what I thought about that entire encounter.
I didn't think swearing was against the rules - only when you are specifically directing that abuse towards an official personally.

So "What the **** do you think you're doing!" is technically different to "What the **** do you think you're doing you stipid ****".

And it also makes a huge difference whether or not you're heard and / or understood. And I can't really understand a word Fergie says when he's calm.

AND - Cole should definitely have gone after that challenge so if you're implying Utd bias, the example you give contradicts that......

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The referee should have been charged for spoiling a perfectly good game of football.
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Old 28-09-2007, 08:13   #10
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I didn't think swearing was against the rules - only when you are specifically directing that abuse towards an official personally.
IIRC from when I used to play on a Saturday / Sundays it is any swearing and not necessarily directed at any one. I remember one game where an opposition striker missed a complete sitter and then proceeded to shout along the lines of "you stupid ******* idiot" To all 22 players on the pitch it was obivious it was at himself, but not to the ref who promptly sent him off.

Of course I may be completely wrong about this though. This took place the first season where the whole swearing thing was jumped on (at our level anyway), Still does not apply to the pro game though

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They have a habit of not taking action against England captains - ask Shearer!
That's true.
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Still does not apply to the pro game though
And if it ever does, it'll be a nail in the coffin of this game.

Refs should be reffing games, not applying silly rules or exercising their ego.

Obi can count himself unlucky to have been sent off, but givenm that this is the man who claims to have had his life threatened every time he needs to take responsability for his choices, I can't say I have any sympathy for him.

Cole on the other hand - he should have been sent off. He didn't start his tackle till the ball was gone, and was never aiming for anything but ronaldo's ankle. The actions of a coward.
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Still does not apply to the pro game though
There was me thinking players get sent off regularly for "foul and abusive language"
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When a player misses an open goal or don't defend properly, they almost always swear at themselves but never get booked - its the abusive part that makes all the difference I think. ie, is the swearing directed at an individual in an abusive way.
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There was me thinking players get sent off regularly for "foul and abusive language"
There's your problem. They don't get sent of for foul language but foul and abusive.
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wasn't there a famous case of a player who got sent off for saying something like 'what the (edit) was that' at the kick off, when the ref blew the whistle too close to him.
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A FOOTBALLER has claimed the world record for speed in incurring a red card after swearing in surprise when the referee blew the whistle for kick-off right behind him.

Lee Todd was sent off after two seconds. Pete Kearle ordered him off for using foul and abusive language? after he put his fingers in his ears and said: ... me, that was loud." Todd, 22, of Minehead, Somerset, a striker for Cross Farm Park Celtic, has been fined 27 pounds and banned for 35 days. He will appeal to the Football Association.

He said: "I wasn?t swearing at the ref or anyone else. I was just muttering to myself. He nearly blew my ear off. Football is a man's game and players swear all the time but I was off the pitch before the match even began."

Mark Heard, manager of the Sunday league team, backs Todd. He said: "Players should be sent off for swearing at the ref or a player but referees are supposed to use a bit of common sense."

The team defeated Taunton East Reach Wanderers 11-2 away. The Guinness World Book of Records said that it was the fastest red card known.
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according to HUKD forum there are tickets on your official site available for the roma game on tues if any of you were wanting to venture to the theatre of silence.
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