Go Back   Forums @ The Digital Fix > Entertainment Discussion Forums > DVD and Blu-ray Discussion

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 20-10-2006, 18:21   #1
Guest 55583
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 320
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
UK HD-DVD Launch Looking Shakier by the Minute?

With Blue Ray players allegedly in the shops this week, I can't help thinking that the format, and Toshiba in particular, has scored one heck of an own-goal with a very poor launch in the UK.

- the initial launch titles (all seven of them) are pretty lacklustre and have been available as special edition DVDs for some time now

- the launch date of the XE1 player which yesterday was "just a couple of weeks away" now looks to have slipped to after Christmas (Amazon have emailed anybody who pre-ordered to say it's now not expected until mid-January and a Toshiba dealer has said he's been told not to expect the player until December 27th at the earliest)

- the XBox HD-DVD player date seems to keep slipping week by week. We're currently being told December but my guess is "only for a lucky few"

- the specialist XBox 360 stores seem to know nothing about the HD-DVD drive or how to pre-order one.

Given that the format seemed to be beating Blu-Ray hands down in the States I don't understand how Toshiba could have made such a big lash-up of the launch here. Missing "holiday season" is a major lash-up in my view and looks rather dumb given all the sarcasm being thrown at the Blu-Ray camp when it was announced that in Europe the PS3 had slipped from before Christmas to March next year.

Am I being too pessimistic or are Toshiba and the rest going to get their act together in the next few months so that we DON'T have to rely on US imports to get the hardware and software for the format?
Guest 55583 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2006, 18:39   #2
thescrounger
Trusted User
 
thescrounger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kent
Posts: 19,802
Thanks: 93
Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts
I don't think think anybody in the UK will be buying Bluray players in droves. Apart from being completely underwhelmed by a Bluray demo I saw earlier today, the machine cost £1200.
thescrounger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 10:34   #3
Guest 2575
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: london
Posts: 722
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The Blu Ray launch only featured 4 titles and at £1000+ i don't think there will be much of a rush. The XE1 has always been planned for late December onward (same as the US version). It's the cheaper player that will be out here and the US next month.
Guest 2575 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 10:48   #4
Tempest
Trusted User
 
Tempest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Horley (Gatwick)
Posts: 26,481
Thanks: 912
Thanked 733 Times in 445 Posts
Odd isn't it.........

HD-DVD was MILES and MILES ahead of BluRay some time ago.

It's like they have almost deliberatly held up it's release till Sony caught up with them.

All very odd.
Tempest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 11:14   #5
thescrounger
Trusted User
 
thescrounger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kent
Posts: 19,802
Thanks: 93
Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts
Have they caught up though?
thescrounger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 11:37   #6
Tempest
Trusted User
 
Tempest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Horley (Gatwick)
Posts: 26,481
Thanks: 912
Thanked 733 Times in 445 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
Have they caught up though?
Well, I did not think so (but then again, I've noot been looking out for them)
Just responding to the original posters comment.

I thought HD-DVD was literally months ahead of BluRay, and by now we've have many many titles out for sale.

It all seems very lack lustre. and not at all a STRONG PUSH by the manufacturers.

It's almost as if, they don't want to let the public know.
Perphaps it's cos they know they've got bugger all films out there, that doing a BIG launch would be pointless right now.
Tempest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 13:31   #7
Guest 10592
Come along, Pond.
 
Guest 10592's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Doombase
Posts: 9,592
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
In the greater scheme of things, the key battle is in the USA and whoever wins there dictates who will win here.

PS3 is the single biggest weapon in the BD armoury and as we know we won't be seeing that until March next year, if we're lucky. That leaves us with BD players that are horrifically over-priced with mostly lacklustre software.

I don't think HD DVD has too much to worry about right now, but I do think that getting the 360 add-on out there is key to their success as it makes an investment in the HD format low enough for many "suck it and see" customers. Such as myself
Guest 10592 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 16:03   #8
Tempest
Trusted User
 
Tempest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Horley (Gatwick)
Posts: 26,481
Thanks: 912
Thanked 733 Times in 445 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandmaster
In the greater scheme of things, the key battle is in the USA and whoever wins there dictates who will win here.

PS3 is the single biggest weapon in the BD armoury and as we know we won't be seeing that until March next year, if we're lucky. That leaves us with BD players that are horrifically over-priced with mostly lacklustre software.

I don't think HD DVD has too much to worry about right now, but I do think that getting the 360 add-on out there is key to their success as it makes an investment in the HD format low enough for many "suck it and see" customers. Such as myself
Yeah, funny isn't it..........

We've had year of waiting for this to arrive, and It almost now looks like it's going to be a battle of the Game's Consoles as much as a Battle of the Formats.

Both consoles are going to be the Major Reason why people get HD players into their homes in the very near future.

Gonna be interesting how this all pans out.
Tempest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 16:15   #9
GarethH
Idle
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Hertfordshire, UK
Posts: 5,964
Thanks: 9
Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts
According to some US based customers, Best Buy and Circuit City are slimming down or removing their HD-DVD displays and bigging up Blu-ray displays instead. Looks like Sony has been doing some bribes!
__________________
Camera Body: 5D Mark III and 5D Mark II | Lenses: Canon 35L, Canon 135L, Canon 70-200L II, Canon 300 f4L, Sigma 85 f1.4, Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC, Tamron Di II 90 Macro
500px
GarethH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 16:22   #10
thescrounger
Trusted User
 
thescrounger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kent
Posts: 19,802
Thanks: 93
Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts
Probably because they have loads of unsold backstock and want to get rid of it.
thescrounger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 16:51   #11
GarethH
Idle
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Hertfordshire, UK
Posts: 5,964
Thanks: 9
Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
Probably because they have loads of unsold backstock and want to get rid of it.
No, i'm talking about big displays with newer releases from the week too.
__________________
Camera Body: 5D Mark III and 5D Mark II | Lenses: Canon 35L, Canon 135L, Canon 70-200L II, Canon 300 f4L, Sigma 85 f1.4, Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC, Tamron Di II 90 Macro
500px
GarethH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 17:06   #12
Roberto
OMG! it's full of stars!
 
Roberto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Londoner
Posts: 16,916
Thanks: 867
Thanked 600 Times in 252 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest
Well, I did not think so (but then again, I've noot been looking out for them)
Just responding to the original posters comment.

I thought HD-DVD was literally months ahead of BluRay, and by now we've have many many titles out for sale.

It all seems very lack lustre. and not at all a STRONG PUSH by the manufacturers.

It's almost as if, they don't want to let the public know.
Perphaps it's cos they know they've got bugger all films out there, that doing a BIG launch would be pointless right now.
Well the most telling thing today was that i popped in HMV in STRATFORD!! and they had 4 blue-ray titles for sale at £17.99 each and not a HD-DVD in sight.

You can say HD-DVD is out-selling Blue-Ray until your blue in the face (pun not intended) but in the shops you can only get Blue-Ray and people are going to start wondering how to play THESE discs not HD-DVD (mostly becuase if they not avaiable how is Jo public going to know about them?)
__________________
Saddam✓Osama✓Gaddafi✓Kim Jong-un☐Justin Bieber☐
Roberto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 20:33   #13
Tempest
Trusted User
 
Tempest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Horley (Gatwick)
Posts: 26,481
Thanks: 912
Thanked 733 Times in 445 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Well the most telling thing today was that i popped in HMV in STRATFORD!! and they had 4 blue-ray titles for sale at £17.99 each and not a HD-DVD in sight.

You can say HD-DVD is out-selling Blue-Ray until your blue in the face (pun not intended) but in the shops you can only get Blue-Ray and people are going to start wondering how to play THESE discs not HD-DVD (mostly becuase if they not avaiable how is Jo public going to know about them?)
Oh yes, Indeed.

HD-DVD "MUST" get player and LOTS of actual movies into the shops.

People are going to look at how many movies they can see in front of them, and buy a player (little bit in the future of course)
Once they have a player the decision has been made.

Let's see who makes the BIGGEST cock up launching their product, as I'd say it's all a pretty much clean start right at the moment.

Of course, SONY have a nice high street presence.
Tempest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 20:59   #14
thescrounger
Trusted User
 
thescrounger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kent
Posts: 19,802
Thanks: 93
Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roberto
Well the most telling thing today was that i popped in HMV in STRATFORD!! and they had 4 blue-ray titles for sale at £17.99 each and not a HD-DVD in sight.

You can say HD-DVD is out-selling Blue-Ray until your blue in the face (pun not intended) but in the shops you can only get Blue-Ray
A bit like UMDs. People all rushed out and bought a PSP so they could play them...not.

Quote:
You can say HD-DVD is out-selling Blue-Ray until your blue in the face
They are. In America. Why are you in denial about this fact?

You think people in HMV are going to pick up a Bluray film and then stick a £1200 BD player in their basket on the way to the till?

Last edited by thescrounger; 21-10-2006 at 21:06.
thescrounger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 22:00   #15
Xenole
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Grimsby
Posts: 7,083
Thanks: 0
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
You think people in HMV are going to pick up a Bluray film and then stick a £1200 BD player in their basket on the way to the till?
£1200? Couldn't see HMV doing them for less than twice the price of anywhere else!
Xenole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2006, 22:54   #16
GarethH
Idle
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Hertfordshire, UK
Posts: 5,964
Thanks: 9
Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
A bit like UMDs. People all rushed out and bought a PSP so they could play them...not.

They are. In America. Why are you in denial about this fact?

You think people in HMV are going to pick up a Bluray film and then stick a £1200 BD player in their basket on the way to the till?
Why are you getting so funny about it?
__________________
Camera Body: 5D Mark III and 5D Mark II | Lenses: Canon 35L, Canon 135L, Canon 70-200L II, Canon 300 f4L, Sigma 85 f1.4, Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC, Tamron Di II 90 Macro
500px
GarethH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-10-2006, 00:47   #17
Spooky_uk
XBL/PSN : SPOOKYVILLE
 
Spooky_uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 15,962
Thanks: 0
Thanked 80 Times in 46 Posts
media and players on the high street is not going to make any difference right now. Either format is not going to be mass market for some time if at all. Early adopters and techno gadget geeks will be sourcing hardware and software on the net and importing (just as in the early days of DVD) so HMV having 4 BR discs on the shelves will make diddly squat difference to anything.

Last edited by Spooky_uk; 22-10-2006 at 00:48.
Spooky_uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-10-2006, 08:22   #18
Roberto
OMG! it's full of stars!
 
Roberto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Londoner
Posts: 16,916
Thanks: 867
Thanked 600 Times in 252 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
A bit like UMDs. People all rushed out and bought a PSP so they could play them...not.
Admittedly UMD's had a strong presence from the start in shops like GAME. But in HMV they were stuck at the back (I own a PSP). The difference here is the Blue-Ray discs were right at the entrance so it was the first thing that everybody saw when they walked in, HMV are pushing this. They were quite a few people picking these up and looking at them (me included).


Quote:
Originally Posted by thescrounger
You think people in HMV are going to pick up a Blue-ray film and then stick a £1200 BD player in their basket on the way to the till?
By the time both sets of players are out they'll be cheaper, and lets forget the mentality of Jo Public, they are going to get what’s available, I personally think HD-DVD is winning in America because it was first out the door over there. But over here it's Blue-Ray. next year, it's march, little Johnny being asking for a PS3, and HD-DVD doesn't play on this things. The only cock-up Sony can make now is not letting people know about HD format and bang on about the PS3 playing Blue-Ray and only Blue-Ray when it's released. I think if Sony play there cards right they could still pull one out of the hat.
__________________
Saddam✓Osama✓Gaddafi✓Kim Jong-un☐Justin Bieber☐
Roberto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-10-2006, 08:27   #19
Roberto
OMG! it's full of stars!
 
Roberto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Londoner
Posts: 16,916
Thanks: 867
Thanked 600 Times in 252 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooky_uk
media and players on the high street is not going to make any difference right now. Either format is not going to be mass market for some time if at all. Early adopters and techno gadget geeks will be sourcing hardware and software on the net and importing (just as in the early days of DVD) so HMV having 4 BR discs on the shelves will make diddly squat difference to anything.
It's got nothing to do about selling units at the moment, it's about public awareness. It doesn't matter at this point weather they take the disc to the till or not. It doesn't even matter if they know what Blue-Ray is, The public now knows there this thing called Blue-Ray out there and knows nothing about HD-DVD.

It's about branding and getting the name in people’s heads. So far, Blue-Ray is out and HD-DVD is playing catch-up
__________________
Saddam✓Osama✓Gaddafi✓Kim Jong-un☐Justin Bieber☐

Last edited by Roberto; 22-10-2006 at 08:28.
Roberto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-10-2006, 09:02   #20
Guest 8751
Trusted User
 
Guest 8751's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: not as North as I was
Posts: 7,616
Thanks: 8
Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts
virtually every store i go in that sells them, the PSP section is about 3-4 times bigger than the Nintendo DS section. Yet every article I read says the DS is outselling the PSP by several times. Sony seem to be able to do store placement right at least
Guest 8751 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
HD-DVD Disc

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 07:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2018 Poisonous Monkey Ltd. Part of The Digital Fix Network