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Old 10-04-2010, 18:10   #61
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Elizabeth Shue was awful, as were a lot of things in the sequels. The first film was written as a perfect self-contained story, and that's how I like to watch it.
Apart from the ending, which suggested there might be at least one more movie.
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Apart from the ending, which suggested there might be at least one more movie.
Just because a film is left somewhat open-ended, doesn't mean the story was designed to have been continued. The plot of Back to the Future is wrapped up perfectly, and the ending was simply a crazy 'off to the next adventure' coda - not a deliberate sequel-hook. Robert Zemeckis said so himself on the DVD documentary. It was only after the first film became a box office smash that the studio suggested/demanded some sequels. But Claudia Wells and Crispin Clover refused to return - just two of the reasons why Back To The Future Part II is nowhere near as good as the original, which was one of the best screenplays Hollywood ever produced.

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Old 10-04-2010, 18:35   #63
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IIRC I don't think Glover rufused to return, just that he wanted a lot more cash and the studio were not willing to meet his demands.

The first is easily the best but 2 and 3 still fit in nicely with it and while not on the same level are still very good movies and make a enjoyable trilogy.
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IIRC I don't think Glover rufused to return, just that he wanted a lot more cash and the studio were not willing to meet his demands.
I heard it was a bit more complicated than that. While he did feel that the fee they were offering him was quite low - around $50,000 - he also disagreed on the direction they took his character. When they used his likeness anyway, he sued them and won.

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The first is easily the best but 2 and 3 still fit in nicely with it and while not on the same level are still very good movies and make a enjoyable trilogy.
I'm not saying that the sequels are terrible. I just have no desire to own them.
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So the first film was meant to be a one off? How did they get to put the "To be continued" (they did right?) at the end then? Surely that would have been done before they knew the film would be big enough to warrant a sequal?

I have a very slight lingering feeling that "To be continued" might only have been put at the end of the second film. But, I'll risk humiliation anyway
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he also disagreed on the direction they took his character
No he didn't, none of the scripts were written. It was purely a money thing.
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So the first film was meant to be a one off? How did they get to put the "To be continued" (they did right?) at the end then? Surely that would have been done before they knew the film would be big enough to warrant a sequal?

I have a very slight lingering feeling that "To be continued" might only have been put at the end of the second film. But, I'll risk humiliation anyway
The 'To Be Continued...' was added to the video release.
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No he didn't, none of the scripts were written. It was purely a money thing.
I read that in a 1992 interview on The Howard Stern Show that he clarified that it was partly his fee, but also "creative disagreements" that caused him to turn down BTTF Pt II. The script may not have existed yet, but I can't imagine they'd have asked him to reprise his role without discussing it.

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I imagine the "creative disagreements" would've been that his part wasn't very much bigger, in line with Mr. Crispin Hellion Glover's then-burgeoning ego. Saying that, it was pretty crass of Bob Gale to slag him off on the commentary on the DVD.
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I hadn't even noticed that Crispin Glover was only in the first film! It's been a while but I thought the only actor change was Claudia Wells/Elisabeth Shue.

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I hadn't even noticed that Crispin Glover was only in the first film! It's been a while but I thought the only actor change was Claudia Wells/Elisabeth Shue.

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His voice was totally off, added to the fact he spends his small screen-time in the movie upside-down.

Glover was badly treated, he was immense in the first film playing 3 versions of the same character.

I do like the sequels - not quite as rounded as the first film, sure, which opens with that fantastic continous shot , but the twisted plot in no 2 is brilliant, and I've come to enjoy 3 more and more. My only irritation with 2 and 3 is really that they had to invent a character flaw for Marty McFly to hang them off - in the first film all his worries and potential flaws were addressed and sorted after his trip.
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I read that in a 1992 interview on The Howard Stern Show that he clarified that it was partly his fee, but also "creative disagreements" that caused him to turn down BTTF Pt II. The script may not have existed yet, but I can't imagine they'd have asked him to reprise his role without discussing it.
He was hardly likely to say that he wnated more money, he called the studios bluff and they walked away.
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