Go Back   Forums @ The Digital Fix > Entertainment Discussion Forums > Film Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-09-2009, 08:16   #1
Harsin
Moderator
 
Harsin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Wales
Posts: 22,093
Thanks: 20
Thanked 61 Times in 21 Posts
3D - The Future of Cinema or Fad?

Not a day seems to go by without an announcement that some big release will now be 3D and the AV sites are going cock-a-hoop over the imminent release of 3D tellies. So is 3D here to stay or is the interest going to fade away as it did in the 1950s and 1980s.

It's obvious why the movie studios love it, it's a weapon to combat piracy and home sales eating into cinema tickets with something not easily replicable in the home at the moment. Mind you, as I said, 3D TVs are around the corner, although I think they're going to have a hard time convicing the public that after drilling into them that they needed to upgrade to a HD Ready TV that they now need to replace that with a 3D TV.

I've seen a few of the new batch of 3D films in the cinema and they're good fun, but they still feel gimmicky as hell, with stuff gratuitously pointing into the screen every 5 minutes and the mentality isn't much different than when Jaws 3D came out. At the moment I've certainly not got any desire to see every film switch to this format. Maybe Avatar will convince me differently, but I'm not so sure.

Last edited by Harsin; 07-09-2009 at 08:19.
Harsin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 08:18   #2
SIMON ADEBISI
****
 
SIMON ADEBISI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Luimneach, Eire
Posts: 40,977
Thanks: 486
Thanked 532 Times in 242 Posts
Fad

I did have much love for My Bloody Valentine though.
SIMON ADEBISI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 08:27   #3
SimonI
Rude Mechanical
 
SimonI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 6,358
Thanks: 272
Thanked 280 Times in 187 Posts
I agree - it's just something that superimposes itself on the rest of the film and most likely takes you away from the movie experience rather than drawing you in. Plus the specs get uncomfortable after a while.

I really can't see Joe Public shelling out dosh for yet another player and telly upgrade, especially as the amount of material that will take advantage of the new technology will be limited to new stuff and most likely movies only. At least with HD you could benefit from pretty much any source (except 80s TV filmed on video!).
__________________
It's turtles all the way down!
All things prog | Yes World | DVD Basen | Home | MX-5 | Nausicaa | ET | My Criterion
SimonI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 09:26   #4
Peter Griffin
freakin' sweet!
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Quahog
Posts: 810
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
With the current 3D quality that exists you can get away with gimmicky films like Final Destination etc because you dont really have to pay much attention to the films story or anything but more serious films suffer for it.

For starters the shades make all the colours that little bit darker and (if not used to wearing glasses) can get a little uncomfortable. It also makes half of whats on screen very blurry. You can see the 3D object just fine but the whole background becomes a blur. So when I saw the trailer for Avatar and the dragon things looked nice all big and 3D, I could not see everything else. So all those special effects go to waste.

3D should be reserved for animation and the occasional gimmick film only.
__________________
What the hell does 'RANT' mean?
Peter Griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 09:40   #5
Ste7en
Goin' Home to Satan
 
Ste7en's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stranded in Chihuahua
Posts: 15,238
Thanks: 1,875
Thanked 333 Times in 247 Posts
I don't think it is a piracy issue as when you go to the cinema you usually have a choice to see the flick in 3D or on another screen in 2D.

I'm impressed by it. I thought Bolt looked fantastic. I honestly can't compare the current generation of 3D with previous incarnations as it is infinitely superior in every respect.

I have seen a couple of IMAX presentations in 3D but you wear these headsets with built in speakers dotted around. It was good, but Bolt was much more enjoyable
__________________
My DVD Collection / My Feedback
Ste7en is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 09:46   #6
Littc
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,366
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
With the current 3D quality that exists you can get away with gimmicky films like Final Destination etc because you dont really have to pay much attention to the films story or anything but more serious films suffer for it.

For starters the shades make all the colours that little bit darker and (if not used to wearing glasses) can get a little uncomfortable. It also makes half of whats on screen very blurry. You can see the 3D object just fine but the whole background becomes a blur. So when I saw the trailer for Avatar and the dragon things looked nice all big and 3D, I could not see everything else. So all those special effects go to waste.

3D should be reserved for animation and the occasional gimmick film only.
That was my main complaint with Avatar in that whilst the 3D was crispy clear, everything else and all the lovely background work was fuzzy as hell. And the 3D really didn't add very much to the experience. Frankly makes me think I'll be seeking out a 2D showing of it in December....
Littc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:13   #7
Ono
I LIEK JEON JI-HYUN!!!111
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: London(ish)
Posts: 25,528
Thanks: 655
Thanked 349 Times in 187 Posts
Fad.

Been to a couple of "4D" presentations too where they blow smoke, bubbles and wind etc into the auditorium.

I find it all detracts from my enjoyment of the film tbh and I don't like wearing the glasses.
Ono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:20   #8
CLH
La Bender
 
CLH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: On the Fence
Posts: 11,677
Thanks: 170
Thanked 248 Times in 179 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ono View Post
Fad.

Been to a couple of "4D" presentations too where they blow smoke, bubbles and wind etc into the auditorium.

I find it all detracts from my enjoyment of the film tbh and I don't like wearing the glasses.
Porn may be better/worse though.
CLH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:25   #9
Wowbagger
Don't tell him, Pike
 
Wowbagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Between the land and the sky
Posts: 3,274
Thanks: 236
Thanked 206 Times in 136 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CLH View Post
Porn may be better/worse though.
He said 3D, not VD.
Wowbagger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:25   #10
Ste7en
Goin' Home to Satan
 
Ste7en's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stranded in Chihuahua
Posts: 15,238
Thanks: 1,875
Thanked 333 Times in 247 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ono View Post
Fad.

Been to a couple of "4D" presentations too where they blow smoke, bubbles and wind etc into the auditorium.

I find it all detracts from my enjoyment of the film tbh and I don't like wearing the glasses.
Were these outside of theme parks?

Imagine, Fight Club in 4D
__________________
My DVD Collection / My Feedback
Ste7en is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:29   #11
SIMON ADEBISI
****
 
SIMON ADEBISI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Luimneach, Eire
Posts: 40,977
Thanks: 486
Thanked 532 Times in 242 Posts
Drops of blood & sweat flying around the auditorium.

The only 4D thing ive seen was the T2-3D show in Universal Studios. My 14 yr old self loved it.
SIMON ADEBISI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:38   #12
staffyman
Gamertag: Staffyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 1,776
Thanks: 138
Thanked 43 Times in 14 Posts
I think it's a gimmick myself, but will be interested how long it'll last for.

It's obviously an attempt to get people back into the cinema rather than having them wait for the dvd or dowload. Also, it allows the cinema to sell something new to us. Given that, with the current set up, cinemas only really make money from the food/drink they sell - £1.50 a throw from some 3d specs must seem like a pretty sweet deal. That's probably why they don't allow you to reuse them if you already have a pair from another showing. Not exactly an eco-friendly stance to take and it'll only get worse if it does take off in fashion.

I've only seen Final Destination in 3d and it's fun, and works pretty well, but it did take me out of the film in more than a few places and I wonder how well it will work with more serious fare. I'm looking forward to Avatar in this respect to see how Cameron handles it.
staffyman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:39   #13
Guest 23929
Xbox - KaRW/ PSN KaRW1
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 22,662
Thanks: 39
Thanked 154 Times in 110 Posts
It's a fad, same as its been for the last 60 years. I remember watching an ITV 3D special in the 80's and it said by the 90's 3D sets would be commonplace.

Until they fix a) the subtitle issue and b) design a system that can be used without glasses it'll just be a gimmick.

A fun gimmick, but a gimmick nonetheless.

Imagine how good a Jaws film would be in 3D!!!1

Last edited by KRW; 07-09-2009 at 10:40.
Guest 23929 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:40   #14
Ste7en
Goin' Home to Satan
 
Ste7en's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stranded in Chihuahua
Posts: 15,238
Thanks: 1,875
Thanked 333 Times in 247 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SIMON ADEBISI View Post
The only 4D thing ive seen was the T2-3D show in Universal Studios. My 14 yr old self loved it.
That was pretty good. When the other two screens on either side opened up

I liked the monitors in the queue on the way in as well
__________________
My DVD Collection / My Feedback

Last edited by Ste7en; 07-09-2009 at 10:41.
Ste7en is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 10:47   #15
Ste7en
Goin' Home to Satan
 
Ste7en's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Stranded in Chihuahua
Posts: 15,238
Thanks: 1,875
Thanked 333 Times in 247 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRW View Post
Until they fix a) the subtitle issue and b) design a system that can be used without glasses it'll just be a gimmick.
You've been watching Wild Palms too much

It's obviously an attempt to get people back to the cinema... if they have left, I thought they were doing pretty good

These days domestic setups are pretty good, blu-ray, 7.1 audio, big screens. I can see how the cinema chains could feel intimidated in all honesty.

BTW I was in the Roxy at Ulverston last week. We took the kids to see Aliens in the Attic I really enjoyed the experience, even the intermission half way through... a 90 minute flick
__________________
My DVD Collection / My Feedback
Ste7en is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 12:00   #16
johnsy
www.Brain-Damage.co.uk
 
johnsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: In a world of my own
Posts: 2,139
Thanks: 81
Thanked 111 Times in 50 Posts
To my mind, a fad on the whole. It's clear why they want to do as many as poss - harder to pirate, higher charge at the box office, and "a compelling requirement" to see the movie at the cinema rather than, as many families now are seeming to be doing, buying the DVD/Blu as it is cheaper than buying tickets for all of them.

Some films don't even use the 3D noticably. For example, for my sins I had to see G-Force with the kids, but we went for the 2D version. There was nothing in the film that leapt out at me (for want of a better phrase) as requiring 3D treatment. Yes, 3D movies give a bit of depth and are always shown via digital projectors, so tend to look sharper and have better colours, but 2D movies via the same projectors look pretty good too. I've seen other films too that show little to no difference in 3D.

To make a big difference, you have to go for the "cheesy 3D effect" (quote from Fozzy Bear, Muppet Vision 4D, WDW Florida) as seen in some of the shlocky slasher films (My Bloody Valentine for example) which is fun but very limited.

It's flavour of the month and I can see people getting tired of it. Couple that with the increased cost to the punter, and the growing collection of 3D glasses people are no doubt amassing (or adding to a growing number of these that will take centuries to break down in landfill) and I can see people voting with their feet and not bothering too much in future.

There's an element of the Emperor's new clothes to some extent, and (possibly generally) I can see that Avatar will be a classic example of that, with people praising it to the hilt irrespective of how good it is.
johnsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 12:28   #17
Guest 32699
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,573
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've never seen one to be honest, I refuse to pay the extra £1.50 on top of my cinema card and as someone who has to wear glasses to watch movies at the cinema, it makes it pretty much impossible to see it anyway

that means the majority of modern animation, I have to wait for the dvd to be able to watch it as although they say there is the option of the 2d or 3d version...there rarely is....then it's annoying because you think "oh yes, this bit was meant to be seen in 3d" like the bouncing ball in MvA or the hands in Coraline

yeah, fine on a 3d screen, but just annoying otherwise
Guest 32699 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 12:47   #18
CrackD0wn
Trusted User
 
CrackD0wn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 958
Thanks: 1
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I think where it's really going to make its mark is in computer gaming. But I personally think that 3D is the way to go, and as soon as people start buying 3D tvs and Sky 3D showing shows similar to Planet Earth in 3D, it'll be hard to go back.
CrackD0wn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 13:01   #19
Guest 23929
Xbox - KaRW/ PSN KaRW1
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 22,662
Thanks: 39
Thanked 154 Times in 110 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackD0wn View Post
I think where it's really going to make its mark is in computer gaming. But I personally think that 3D is the way to go, and as soon as people start buying 3D tvs and Sky 3D showing shows similar to Planet Earth in 3D, it'll be hard to go back.
Years away, though, isn't it? Any new innovation that is going to succeed has to make it very difficult to go back to the previous incarnation. Its why colour movies did well, and why DVD did well. I've not heard anyone say that after watching a 3D movie they couldn't go back to watching 2D stuff.
Guest 23929 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2009, 13:27   #20
RomerojpgX
Dead
 
RomerojpgX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In Hell
Posts: 10,543
Thanks: 38
Thanked 53 Times in 38 Posts
So far a BIG FAD!

Fun for a bit, but tiresome, painful if the films long (or you see 3 3D filsm in a row like I did) the double vision problems bug me no end and the in your face moments are a joke and always will be.

The whole piracy thing is total crap, they will be bringing out 2D version of all films in the cinemas (for numerous reasons, many people cannot watch 3D for starters), and they just copy them! ALL 3D films out now or in the past have been pirated as much as non 3D films.

So it's all a big lie that it stops piracy. The Final Destination is being downloaded as much as anything else.

It takes me out of the film, so in the end so far not one film has worked in 3D, as it is hard to relax and just take it in like a normal film.

Also I notice the audience is more vocal and act like idiots, waving arms around trying to grab the screen etc.. that's the adults! so it just makes the cinema a pain in the bum I say.
RomerojpgX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
Cinema, Fad?, Future

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The R1 & R2 Fox Studio Classics, Cinema Classics & Cinema Reserve Thread John Hodson Film Discussion 332 14-10-2007 11:22
DVD Home Cinema without the cinema bit Guest 45579 Home Entertainment Hardware forum 4 10-01-2005 21:26
Back To The Future cinema showing in London Guest 17020 Film Discussion 9 19-07-2004 09:45
DLP and the Future of Cinema minicooper69 Film Discussion 12 25-05-2002 20:21

All times are GMT. The time now is 19:48.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.qq
Copyright ©2000 - 2021 Network N Ltd.