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Old 20-12-2004, 00:01   #1
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Kirk Douglas' best film?

I recently saw The Vikings for the first time and was completely blown away. It's gone straight into my top ten. It's a beautiful looking film with a great story and brilliant action. I thought Douglas' performance was superb. He's not the most subtle actor but what presence!

I found a couple of his films which I haven't seen and couldn't find any opinions about them here. Has anyone seen "The Strange Love of Martha Ivers" and "Town Without Pity"?

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I love Kirk Douglas (in a manly way of course); as an actor I think he is capable of great subtlety and great generousity (Ace in The Hole, Champion, Paths of Glory, Seven Days in May, Spartacus, The Bad & The Beautiful, Two Weeks in Another Town spring instantly to mind). Of course, he can be 'big', but the guy is the genuine article - a film star.

It's been quite a while since I've seen either The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (only okay as a whole, but Douglas showing potential) or Town Without Pity, but the latter is the much better film. Caught The List of Adrian Messenger on cable recently; we need that (and Two Weeks in Another Town plus Ace in The Hole - IMHO, and without thinking too deeply about it, his best performance) on DVD.
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Old 20-12-2004, 07:53   #3
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Ace in the Hole. Douglas' performance is stunning - helped, of course, by the pyrotechnical script. Paths of Glory is a close second, though for me, the Wilder is the richer film.
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I'd go for Paths of Glory and Ace in the Hole though, for pure bloody gusto (and the fact it's one of my favourite "Hollywood Hollywood" films, The Vikings ranks pretty highly...

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speaking of Ace In The Hole.......why isn't it available? I would love to see this again, and have finally got rid of all my old dusty vhs collection (on which i had an old off air copy)
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Seriously though, I'd say Paths of Glory, and Spartacus (but then I'm a big Kubrick fan ).
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I see your Saturn 5 and raise you a Holocaust 2000...

...purely for a longer butt-shot of Mr. Douglas.
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I have always been a huge fan of De Palma's The Fury......some great Douglasing about in that one !
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I would say "The Fury" as well, along with "Two Weeks In Another Town", "Out of the Past" and the quite incredible "Ace In The Hole".

Also worth mentioning "Lust For Life" - a much underrated film at present - Elia Kazan's quite lunatic "The Arrangement" and Douglas's directorial debut, "Posse".

Oh, and though it's a pretty appalling film, I have a sentimental attachment to "Tough Guys" for Douglas, Lancaster and a very funny Eli Wallach.
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Also worth mentioning "Lust For Life" - a much underrated film at present
Wonderful, and beautifully filmed; wasn't Eddie Robinson, a Van Gogh collector, producer?

EDIT - IMDB says not, but I'm sure he had some connection...

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Don't think so John, I think it was John Houseman and George Cukor. Of course, Robinson may well have had an input into it given that he was a friend of Vincente Minnelli.

I also forgot De Palma's "Home Movies" in which Douglas sends himself up beautifully.

It occurs to me that Kirk was one of a generation of Hollywood stars who were quite happy to play irredeemably unpleasant characters. Burt Lancaster - "Sweet Smell of Success" - Robert Mitchum - "Cape Fear", "Night of the Hunter" - and Douglas - who was vile in several films, notably "Ace In The Hole" and "the Bad and the Beautiful".
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Don't think so John, I think it was John Houseman and George Cukor. Of course, Robinson may well have had an input into it given that he was a friend of Vincente Minnelli.
I'm struggling now, but I think he gets a rather large 'with thanks to...' on the credits.

The stars you mention weren't afraid to play villains, in comedies, die halfway through a film, in virtually any genre, in small films, foreign films, and as you say, send themselves up; I'm struggling to think of a modern equivalent - Johnny Depp? (To some degree) Al Pacino? Hmmm...

Seven Days in May is another where Lancaster was the guy in the black hat, while Douglas is admirably restrained in what is essentially a quite unshowy role. They could have swapped roles and the film would have been just as good. Actually, Douglas also made a good Doc Holliday...

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Gene Hackman would qualify, from the 60s/70s generation of new screen stars, although he's in his seventies now. Pacino is willing to do it, although he tends to eat up the screen in the process, ditto De Niro.

In some ways, James Woods is another contender but he never became a star of that level - I'd class him as a 'cult star' like Harry Dean Stanton or Bruce Dern who will sell a picture but only to a certain audience.
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Oh, and though it's a pretty appalling film, I have a sentimental attachment to "Tough Guys" for Douglas, Lancaster and a very funny Eli Wallach.
Another excellent Douglas moon in that as well

With regard to your "unpleasant character" point (and as John says) he played a pretty downright mean Doc Holliday as well... quite 'brave' for its time. He's certainly more unpleasant than Kilmer's foppish reading of the part, or Mature's pathetic drunkard.

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The stars you mention weren't afraid to play villains, in comedies, die halfway through a film, in virtually any genre, in small films, foreign films, and as you say, send themselves up; I'm struggling to think of a modern equivalent - Johnny Depp? (To some degree) Al Pacino? Hmmm...
I'd add (serendipitously) Michael Douglas to that list... Basic Instinct, Wall Street, Black Rain... films of varying quality but Douglas isn't afraid to appear drug-addled or unpleasant...
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another vote for "bad and the beautiful" - good film and an excellent performance by kirk. Good region 1 transfer too.
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For me it's probably Spartacus, although it's not easy to choose just one for someone who has been in over 80 films
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So many great films if I had to pick one it'd be Spartacus.

But also the Vikings, Paths of Glory, Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, Ace in the Hole, Seven Days in May.

His career went off a bit after 1970 but he owes cinema nothing.
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Nobody's mentioned Lonely Are The Brave which absolutely wrecked me emotionally when I first (and last) saw it on TV at least 20 years ago. May be a bit messagy nowadays - a Dalton Trumbo script after all - but I still vividly remember the heartrending relationship between Douglas and his horse. But, really, the best just has to be Ace in the Hole doesn't it?
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Good call; it's a shame that Lonely Are The Brave is not on DVD.
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