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Old 14-01-2008, 14:08   #101
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interesting article on digital spy - the farms set up failed to meet industry standards and were inspected by officials but this wasnt mentioned in the show.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a8485...icken-con.html
Not surprising - and according to papers at weekend Hugh actually filmed for 3 days in an existing farm. Not only was this footage not shown, but he claimed nobody would give him access
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Old 14-01-2008, 14:13   #102
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if they halved the numbers to improve conditions, where are the empty farms going to make up the supply short fall.http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a8485...icken-con.html
The assumption there is that domestic supply currently covers domestic demand 100%.
I've no idea if that's true or not but they did make references to supplies of cheap meat coming over (or being available to come over) from the continent.

The way things seem to be going though, there will be marketing opportunities attached to being able to say that meat comes from a particular source or method of production, and the cheaper imports would not be able to make the same claims.

If farmers have been able to build and run sheds on 3p profit margins, adding extra space on 13p profits margins shouldn't be that hard.
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Old 14-01-2008, 14:22   #103
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Not surprising - and according to papers at weekend Hugh actually filmed for 3 days in an existing farm. Not only was this footage not shown, but he claimed nobody would give him access
It was the same farm Jamie Oliver visited (the one where the guy did both versions) but C4 didn't use the footage as it would be "duplicating".
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Old 15-01-2008, 13:19   #104
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Hock Burns were the thing that did it for me. These are marks at the joint between the leg and foot which occur when the birds has been laying in it's own excrement for too long. You can see them if you look at the cheap birds on the shelf.

I went to my local Tesco over the weekend and was hoping to get a free range bird. They didnt have any but whilst there, curiosity got to me so I checked the cheaper birds for Hock Burns. This is no joke... every one i picked up had them.

Apparently the Supermarkets are getting wise and trimming the legs further up. Thats also something to look for. If it's trimmed above the 'knee' its more than likely suffered with Hock Burns.

Something to think about there!
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Old 18-01-2008, 17:33   #105
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Something to remember is organic does not necessarily mean the animals are treat any better than non-organic, in fact I'm sure you can probably get organic chicken that are no better off than the battery chickens. If you're concerned about chemicals get organic but if you're concerned about animal welfare get free-range or better still free-range organic!
I'm not sure this is true. Organic standards (while not all up to the same, Soil Association is the one to go for) do impose minimum standards relating to animal welfare including free-range aspects, ie stocking density, 2 months grass access and 1/3 lifetime spent outside. None of this is the case for intensively reared birds. So an organic chicken will always have had 'better' treatment and a Soil Association certified organic chicken will be more 'free-range' (more time outside, limits on stocking density etc) than pure free-range - see the SA site for more info.
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Old 18-01-2008, 17:40   #106
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Exactly, organic isn't a quality or welfare step up above free-range, it's just reassurance in what it's been fed.
Not true - organic certification does impose minimum welfare standards (stocking density, access to grass, time spent outside) and on most counts is equivalent or better than free-range. Soil Association's organic standards go even further and provide much improved welfare standards. See their site for more info.
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Old 18-01-2008, 19:33   #107
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That's one of the things that annoys me about the organic movement.

You've got a plethora of certification bodies (Organic Farmers & Growers, Scottish Organic Producers Association, Organic Food Federation, Soil Association, Organic Trust, Biodynamic Agric Assoc ... and so on) who all promote their own version of what they consider to be organic.
This commercialism can only lead to the watering down of organic standards as one company tries to attract more producers (and their lucrative organic license fees!) through their doors copmared to their competitors.

How do these cert bodies do that? By lowering their standards compared to the rest and making them easier to comply with. More farmers can then achieve these standards allowing them to call their produce organic and then reap the benefits of inflated organic prices in the market place.

Surely this goes against the whole organic way of thinking?

Why isn't there one organic standard that producers can be audited against by whichever company they choose?

Organic is certainly well ahead of standard indoor production with regard to welfare but because there is no real definition of free-range I don't think you can say that organically reared animals are treated any better than free range.

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Old 03-11-2008, 20:29   #108
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Jamie Oliver fell short on his programme last night. He should have gone through the supply chain of intensive chicken farming to show who is profiting from the current set up.
For anyone interested Jamie Oliver's filming a pig equivalent of his chicken program this week called "Saving Jamie's Bacon" and should air on CH4 in Jan '09.
http://www.farmersguardian.com/story...torycode=21910

He's been filming on several pig units in the UK and in Europe to show differences in welfare between pig production systems in the UK incl intensive, freedom foods & free range and then between the UK & continental Europe.

Apparently his production company have hired a barn in Suffolk and have set up some typical pig production systems (on a very small scale).
The audience, Jamie and the cameras will also be in the barn filming the 'studio' part of the program.

It should be quite good although these things always carry an agenda. It'll be interesting to see what angle the production company take.

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Apparently C4 will be running this as part of their now annual food week so expect Ramsay HFW to be involved somewhere along the line.
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Should be interesting.
Our family has been transformed by the Chicken Run series, with one of my sons having gone vegetarian (and he's stuck with it too) and the rest of us sticking to free range chicken and eggs.
We've never eaten much other meats, but I admire Jamie and Hugh for trying to make a difference so I'll be watching this.
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They did the studio filming today apparently.
Waitrose and Morrisons came out of it well.
Tesco and Asda didn't.
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Who's that horrible bitch from Tesco on now? I think I'll stick with Sainsburys
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With a bit of luck, Tescos arrogance on dealing with such a basic issue of animal welfare instead of catering for the chavs en masse will be their downfall. Profiteering scumbags!
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As someone who only ever buys free range chickens because I can fortunately afford them - Label Anglais when I can get them - I do wonder if there is any taste difference in the bog-standard version and the slightly more humane version Hugh was promoting last night. I'll always remember that taste test when Rick Stein preferred the bog-standard supermarket turkey to the organic free ranger.
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Old 27-01-2009, 18:47   #115
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Regardless of how Tesco raises their chickens.... they come across as pricks in this. I'm going to shop elsewhere. I actually had Tesco shares until recently, Hugh could have had my name down.
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Old 27-01-2009, 21:26   #116
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I've been doing my best to buy 'happy' chickens ever since I saw the first HFW programme. I don't buy free range as they're just too expensive, but I get the RSPCA freedom foods ones. For the minimal difference in price, you'd think that Tesco would have made some sort of commitment, but I guess their market share is far more important to them. Bet that's taken a bit of a knock now though, as they certainly came across really badly in the latest prog (especially that awful spokeswoman!)

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...I'll always remember that taste test when Rick Stein preferred the bog-standard supermarket turkey to the organic free ranger.
There was a 'Rick Stein retrospective' programme on recently where he talked about that incident. According to him, it wasn't down to the taste - he was actually trying to second guess which one it would be. Of course, he would say that wouldn't he?
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Certainly changed my views. Great programme.

Free range all the way for me now. I thought the attitude from Tesco was really shocking. Ł87k to raise the motion, 75% of voters to pass it. Don't get me started on that hag from PR.

They haven't got the monopoly on grocery shopping - yet. And until they do, I'll be shopping elsewhere.
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I too will be boycotting tesco's. They came across as underhanded,manipulative and just plain evil !

Sainsbury's all the way for me now.
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Just watching this on Channel 4.com's catch up service. Very interesting.
Tesco, what a bunch of arrogant *****************! That dreadful PR woman, just what were they thinking allowing her to be the public voice of the company?!

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Interesting article....

http://www.farmersguardian.com/story...torycode=24071
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