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Old 26-09-2008, 13:14   #41
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About 6-7 feet away from a 47 inch Sony 1080p LCD. I was watching Batman Begins on HD DVD and I'm not saying it wasn't better than DVD but the HD transfer didn't make me think my DVD collection won't be good enough to watch on a similar sized screen at normal viewing distances.
Yes I think this is a good example of the average public that just aren't attuned to seeing the differences in HD. It will be an uphill struggle for some.

Although if you weren't blown away with HD on 47" I would have question your display calibration.
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average public that just aren't attuned to seeing the differences in HD.

sorry, had to laugh, makes it sound like you'd want them to go on a course or something to appreciate hd

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It will be an uphill struggle for some..
Just playing devils advocate, why would you class it as an uphill struggle? Wouldn't it be more of a case that people simply just aren't that impressed, or at least as not the massive improvement that it was from vhs to dvd?
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sorry, had to laugh, makes it sound like you'd want them to go on a course or something to appreciate hd
It would help.

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Just playing devils advocate, why would you class it as an uphill struggle? Wouldn't it be more of a case that people simply just aren't that impressed, or at least as not the massive improvement that it was from vhs to dvd?
It's an uphill struggle for anybody trying to justify new technology. I don't think it's a question of not seeing a substantial difference (unless they are looking at some horribly set up screens in the sony center), it's a question of not caring.
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Or just find the clarity/resolution of the picture not that important.

As long as it looks as good as DVD, most will probably be more than happy with that picture quality, particularly if they get an upscaling DVD player to give their current discs a boost.
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It's an uphill struggle for anybody trying to justify new technology. I don't think it's a question of not seeing a substantial difference (unless they are looking at some horribly set up screens in the sony center), it's a question of not caring.
tis true. Kind of like when I get a new graphics card for my pc and can now run everything with all the nice fx and aa turned on full - show it to my friend who then says "meh, want a cuppa?"....
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I bought an HD player at the end of last year, to be honest on first looks the picture quality was better and the sound a little crisper but overall I don't think I'll be switching to blu-ray anytime soon as there's not a substantial difference to warrant the extra premium
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It's an uphill struggle for anybody trying to justify new technology. I don't think it's a question of not seeing a substantial difference (unless they are looking at some horribly set up screens in the sony center), it's a question of not caring.
It could also be a generational type thing. I'm old enough to remember when going to the cinema could be a blurry/crackly experience, depending on the print quality, and it didnt really bother me then and doesnt now. I don't really need to see everything in pin-sharp detail to enjoy it.
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I can count the amount of people I convinced that LD was better than VHS on one leper's hand. I still go around some people's houses and they're feeding their LCDs a composite signal. They don't even understand what a progressive DVD player is, let alone upscaling.

So - getting all snotty about the proles not being able to tell how good Blu looks is a waste of time. Most people are happy as long as there's a moving picture on a screen.
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Although if you weren't blown away with HD on 47" I would have question your display calibration.
Indeed
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I don't really need to see everything in pin-sharp detail to enjoy it.
I know what you mean... but - for myself I've found watching films in HD to be an altogether more filmlike experience.

Something else that may not bother J6P but seems to be overlooked generally is that HD is not just about better resolution - it also comes with less compression/noise/artefacts (in theory), plays at 24 fps with no judder and has vastly improved sound formats
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There's something very joyous with watching a great HD transfer, being able to see all the detail and grain that was originally there in the film IMO does enhance the cinematic experience.
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Yeah, but all this 'enhancing the cinematic experience' stuff doesnt wash with 95% of the public, or for anyone who's 'cinematic experience' doesnt revolve around the picture and sound quality - as I said, I remember the days when the cinematic experience was often blurry and crackly and it didnt always matter.
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Since I bought a projector I've become a total Blu-ray evangelist because with an image 8 feet wide the difference is as pronounced as it was between VHS and DVD.

At the same time I can see why HD just doesn't mean much to most people. Most of my friends have TVs smaller than 30" and for them the difference would negligible.
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it also comes with less compression/noise/artefacts (in theory)..
See for me, that is a huge plus. Even on my 26" Bravia, compression artefacts are hugely visible. The funny thing is, this wasn't an issue at all with my CRT. Seems strangely ironic that a better quality TV makes the flaws in the transfer much more apparent.
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Although if you weren't blown away with HD on 47" I would have question your display calibration.
It was in a shop I've still got a CRT.



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it also comes with less compression/noise/artefacts (in theory), plays at 24 fps with no judder and has vastly improved sound formats
I've started to notice things like noise and artefacts more especially when I'm watching a film using my projector, that's why I'm only going to go HD when I upgrade my projector. What's really wetting my appetite more than anything however is the sound format.
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Yeah, but all this 'enhancing the cinematic experience' stuff doesnt wash with 95% of the public...
You are quite right of course; but, credit crunch aside, I'd expect* the British public's love of new gadgets to eventually bring BD in front of SD DVD.

* Or is that hope
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It was in a shop I've still got a CRT.
There you have it.
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You are quite right of course; but, credit crunch aside, I'd expect* the British public's love of new gadgets to eventually bring BD in front of SD DVD.

* Or is that hope
Yeah, so do I, oh, I do flip flop around...
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There you have it.
Indeed. Always cracks me up when you go into a shop and see dozens of TV's playing off the same HD broadcast simultaneous and not any pair of them look remotely alike.
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Indeed. Always cracks me up when you go into a shop and see dozens of TV's playing off the same HD broadcast simultaneous and not any pair of them look remotely alike.
It was a single display attached to a standalone player. The shop was a 'high end' hifi shop not one of your retail multiples.
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