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Old 22-10-2006, 09:23   #21
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Its funny how 2 new Video formats are getting people so wound up. You expect it with 2 new consols. Spectrum vs C64. Atari vc Amiga. Playstation vs Sega. PS2 vs Xbox.
Why would DVD formats get people taking sides

But then they are linked to the consols so ive answerd my own question. But do people who support the PS3 support Blu-Ray for the sake of it and the 360 camp support the HD-DVD for the same reason. Or do they have real reasons.

I just support the cheapest when there is no advantage in the more expensive. In a year when Blu-Ray 50G discs are put to good use then the price should be equal to HD-DVD by then anyway.
Sorry im just running on but my point is i always somtimes feel Blu-Ray supporters are Playstation Fans (or anti Microsoft) and HD-DVD supporters are 360 fans (or anti Sony). Im sure its not but its how it comes across

Is the thread starter a PS3 fan?
I personally think the "war" is all good fun and will help prices fall quickly in the short term.

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Old 22-10-2006, 09:34   #22
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It's down to software in the end - I can't see the point of buying a HD player of either flavour if it won't be able to play half of the HD releases.

I can't understand how most people here seem to be basing their buying decisions on price, video quality or techical superiority when the fact is that however cheap, high quality and/or technically superior a player may be it's useless without software. You've only got to read other threads here to see how early adopters are buying any old crap on HD-DVD or watching total tosh on Sky-HD just because it's HD. Sorry, but for me the main purpose of a DVD player is to watch films - not to get a hard-on over the picture quality.
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Old 22-10-2006, 10:47   #23
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Sony seem to be able to do store placement right at least
Sony seem to pay way more for better product placement.
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Old 22-10-2006, 12:59   #24
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Well the most telling thing today was that i popped in HMV in STRATFORD!! and they had 4 blue-ray titles for sale at Ł17.99 each and not a HD-DVD in sight.
HD-DVD isn't launched til next month so not that surprising...

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Old 22-10-2006, 14:39   #25
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It's got nothing to do about selling units at the moment, it's about public awareness. It doesn't matter at this point weather they take the disc to the till or not. It doesn't even matter if they know what Blue-Ray is, The public now knows there this thing called Blue-Ray out there and knows nothing about HD-DVD.

It's about branding and getting the name in people’s heads. So far, Blue-Ray is out and HD-DVD is playing catch-up
so reading between the lines and with the evidence we already have - you see a scenario where BR becomes dominant in the UK (due to "public awareness" whereas HD-DVD is dominant in the USA (and if you take your BR tinted spectacles off for a moment its a one horse race right now over there)
whichever format wins over there we get. end of. does not matter at all how much public awareness there is of either format in the UK. the battle will not be fought here in Europe.
Must admit all these posts of 360 v PS3 and HD-DVD v BR are getting tired. everyone has there opinions and at the end of the day in this particular argument at least half of the people will be at the end of the day.
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Old 22-10-2006, 15:32   #26
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2 Things:

1: Most people are Stupid.
2: Most people are Sheep.

They will buy whatever they SEE in the shops the most, and appears to be in ample supply with most choice, and also will buy what other people they know already have.

Hence - Get the products in the chain store shops on BIG displays all over the place.

Hiding in a corner of a specialist shop, saying "I'm Better" will get you nowhere.
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Old 22-10-2006, 16:07   #27
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3. Most people, will just keep on buying DVDs.
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Old 22-10-2006, 16:11   #28
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Its funny how 2 new Video formats are getting people so wound up. You expect it with 2 new consols. Spectrum vs C64. Atari vc Amiga. Playstation vs Sega. PS2 vs Xbox.
Why would DVD formats get people taking sides
I think it's just people trying to make the RIGHT decision. People are passionate about movies or TV shows on Hi-Def and so make a choice and then a commitment and want to prove their allegiance. It's there in everything from football clubs to those poor souls who delude themselves that old vinyl sounds better than any more recent digital format.

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Is the thread starter a PS3 fan?
Absolutely not. I have a STRONG bias against Sony - the result of years of crappy products which invariably break down just outside warranty. DAT players, video recorders, Aibo and most recently a laptop (two TFT screens and now the most recent one has just died and I'm typing this on a laptop that HAS to be connected to a CRT display to be usable) but other than that I'd typically go for the "superior" format.

But I am a huge movie fan and want to upgrade to hi-def (I don't watch TV - TV is through a crappy analog only NTL signal here and my flat has trees in the way such that I can't upgrade to Sky Digital). Trying to make sense of what's going on HD-DVD in the States seems to be winning and has the better titles, better picture, better facilities (no silly restriction on what region your Hi Def disks are bought in). But Blu-Ray has more potential. I

I would have said HD-DVD was the clear winner in the States but they really do seem to be screwing things up over here - hence my post. Realistically I should wait another year and see where we are then. But I want hi-def software NOW. I've gone HD and pre-ordered some titles from the States because I don't want to find as we get to Christmas that all the suppliers get a sudden rush. I've got both an XBOX 360 HD drive on order and a Toshiba XE-1, even though I don't have am XBox 360 and wouldn't be buying one otherwise as I have little to no interest in games (I DO have an interest in using the XBox 360 as a media extender though).

I DON'T agree with those posting here that the States will determine the winner. I can quite easily see a situation where one format is predominant in the States and another is predominant in Europe. And I guess that's what I'm most worried about since I'm now investing in an HD format that may become obsolete. Toshiba seem to have screwed up the European launch, where Blu-Ray seem to have learnt from the mistakes made with their US launch. at least in terms of getting publicity, getting machines in stores and getting the media reporting on them.

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Old 22-10-2006, 16:20   #29
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3. Most people, will just keep on buying DVDs.
Indeed.

Though to be honest, I'm not buying any new ones now.
Browsing the Car Boot sales for cheap deals now

Problem is, (like many here) and thousands worldwide (or even tens of thousands) in 8 weeks time I will have a HD-DVD player (ala 360 add-on)

But where are all the movies?
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But where are all the movies?
Here


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Cheers for that.
Nice sized starting lineup.

If they had all those on a rack in store, with the players and a big (Impressive) display next to the HD flatscreens then they may start shifting.
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Toshiba seem to have screwed up the European launch, where Blu-Ray seem to have learnt from the mistakes made with their US launch.
I just don't get the concern... Blu-Ray has launched and there are 4 movies available in total and the player is Ł1000 (this is almost double the US price - much more if you count the recent discounting in the US).

HD-DVD isn't even launched for another month, when it does launch there will be more presence - and discs in HMV. Blu-Ray will do nothing in the UK until the PS3 launches.
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Cheers for that.
Nice sized starting lineup.

If they had all those on a rack in store, with the players and a big (Impressive) display next to the HD flatscreens then they may start shifting.
I assume that will be the plan for next months launch.
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I assume that will be the plan for next months launch.
Hardly!

That list is an IMPORT list from the States.

In the UK we have a pitiful seven titles: Apollo 13, Bourne Supremacy, Doom, Jarhead, King Kong, Serenity and Van Helsing.
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HD-DVD isn't even launched for another month, when it does launch there will be more presence - and discs in HMV.
Which is when the **** will hit the fan as people start buying HD DVD discs and try to play them in their DVD players.
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Which is when the **** will hit the fan as people start buying HD DVD discs and try to play them in their DVD players.
I never thought of that!

I wonder if that will result in a backlash?!
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I never thought of that!

I wonder if that will result in a backlash?!
I dunno, you can throw a party if it happpens though. Because surely it would mean the death of HD-DVD.
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Hardly!

That list is an IMPORT list from the States.

In the UK we have a pitiful seven titles: Apollo 13, Bourne Supremacy, Doom, Jarhead, King Kong, Serenity and Van Helsing.
I think we can complain about the numbers of disc in the UK once the machine is in the shops along side the discs.
The IMPORT discs are not region coded and pop through your door 7 days after ordering at the cheap rate.
If there are only 7 discs in the UK on December the 7th ill eat my hat.
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I think we can complain about the numbers of disc in the UK once the machine is in the shops along side the discs.
The point of my post was that there was disinformation implying there would be over 100 titles in the shops at launch. I'd like to share your optimism about the number of disks but given that most sites get several weeks lead on what titles that are going to be released and there's been a deafening silence apart from the seven titles mentioned I don't share your optimism.

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The IMPORT discs are not region coded and pop through your door 7 days after ordering at the cheap rate.
How is that relevant to a discussion as to how many titles would be visible in stores at launch?

My experience with importing DVDs has been as follows (10 days after ordering titles from three differenc companies):

US Direct (has a UK address but 3 days after ordering emailed me to say titles would be shipped from the States in the next day or two - they aren't going to arrive within 7 days)

DVD Pacific. Three days after order confirmation got an email saying I need to fax a copy of credit card front/back and a utility bill for the delivery address before they could even consider processing the order. Persuading my employer to give me one of their utility bills is proving a little bothersome.

DVD Empire. Same as DVD Pacific except they asked for the same information despite the fact I'm already registered with them and have many orders from them in the past. Sent them the information required (decided I'd just have to use home address rather than work) on Friday. Still waiting to hear back.

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If there are only 7 discs in the UK on December the 7th ill eat my hat.
If we're talking mainstream releases I think you'll be eating your hat. How many titles (available in stores not on import) have the Blu-Ray players launched with? I'd like to believe HD-DVD will be a lot different but I'm seeing no signs at all to that effect, other than a very low-key announcement of the first seven lacklustre titles.

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For what it's worth - Im over on the States at the moment - I've been here for about a week and have driven through 5 states to date. I've been stopping off at every Walmart and Best Buy I've seen along the way.

Apart from the general 'creepiness' of every single store looking exactly the same, down to the layout, and special offer banner positioning, the situation here is:

Racks and racks of DVD's (obviously), hidden amongst these racks is a metre wide section of 9 shelves. 7 of them contain HD-DVD and the bottom 2 feature BR. There is no signage indicating what they are other than the packaging.
In fact one local guy looking at them next to me asked me why these discs were in smaller packaging.
'they are hi-def' I said. He walked off.
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