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Old 18-11-2019, 15:04   #2781
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2 and 3 were a **** idea. Is largely the problem
Myself, the idea, and how things used to be way way back in the past was you had a folder, and everything related to that program was in the folder, and that's that.

I presume, and please correct me if I'm wrong here.

The idea of shared libraries in say windows type folder was to save space, and not have the exact same file/library need to come with every program and having perhaps 100 - 200 copies of the same library on your computer in 100 - 200 program folders.

That seems a sensible idea does it not?

Likewise, one file that contains all settings, as opposed to the machine hunting every single program folder looking for a "setting.txt" file, again, seems a sensible idea does it not?

Is the problem that these are bad ideas for some reason, or that they are excellent ideas in theory, but in practice they are not used/abused in ways that made an utter mess?
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Old 18-11-2019, 17:55   #2782
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It's a good idea that didn't really work in practise. It was too reliant on programmers and/or installer writers knowing what they were doing. With different version of files, interface changes in those files and not screwing up the shared file count.

To be fair, the more modern implementation (GAC) addresses most of these issues. But also lets you not bother at all and just keep the files with the program since they no longer need registry entries. And this is easier so the way that works better isn't really needed at all...
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Old 18-11-2019, 18:09   #2783
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It's a good idea that didn't really work in practise. It was too reliant on programmers and/or installer writers knowing what they were doing. With different version of files, interface changes in those files and not screwing up the shared file count.

To be fair, the more modern implementation (GAC) addresses most of these issues. But also lets you not bother at all and just keep the files with the program since they no longer need registry entries. And this is easier so the way that works better isn't really needed at all...
Do you think it would be asking too much for windows to track an install, so could un-do it for you?

It would be lovely if simply deleting a folder, deleted everything, and that would mean being able to have another 28 day trial on some programs.
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Old 18-11-2019, 18:28   #2784
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Whilst jokey, the trial point you mentioned kinda covers why they can't. They wouldn't know what's user data and what isn't.
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Old 18-11-2019, 19:02   #2785
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Whilst jokey, the trial point you mentioned kinda covers why they can't. They wouldn't know what's user data and what isn't.
Life used to be easy.

Turn on computer, insert floppy disk of the program you wanted to run.
To save a file, insert blank disk to hold your data.

Job done, and computer booted up fully within seconds.

Ahhh, the good old days

I understand the MacOS is better in this regard, when it comes to keeping files under control more.
Perhaps Windows will lean more towards that direction over time?
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Old 18-11-2019, 19:02   #2786
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With the Microsoft Store accepting Win32 applications as well these days, those installed from there should install/uninstall much more cleanly.
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Old 19-11-2019, 02:16   #2787
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Just a quick question chaps: Would upgrading to 1909 have a decent chance of fixing my Start Menu + Taskbar woes? I've noticed there are articles explaining how you can currently download the iso, but tbh I might wait if it's gonna be rolled out over here before xmas.

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Old 19-11-2019, 06:21   #2788
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Any other feature update I'd have said probably. Since you tend to more or less end up with a new install of Windows from such a feature update. But this one is a smaller update than past ones I think and has been delivered as an ordinary Windows update.
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Old 19-11-2019, 07:02   #2789
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the 09 updates tend to be the bug fixes for the 03 updates. IE they introduce the new features in the 03 which usually breaks stuff then 09 comes along and fixes most of them. Plus the 09 versions have a longer support window iirc.

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Old 19-11-2019, 07:03   #2790
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Job done, and computer booted up fully within seconds.
in fairness my current windows boots up to usable desktop in about 5 seconds so we got there in the end
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Old 19-11-2019, 08:11   #2791
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Just a quick question chaps: Would upgrading to 1909 have a decent chance of fixing my Start Menu + Taskbar woes? I've noticed there are articles explaining how you can currently download the iso, but tbh I might wait if it's gonna be rolled out over here before xmas.
Yes, the bi-annual updates reinstall the core of the OS.

Another reason why you don't need to bother with CC cleaners in this day and age, Windows reinstalls itself every six months.

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Any other feature update I'd have said probably. Since you tend to more or less end up with a new install of Windows from such a feature update. But this one is a smaller update than past ones I think and has been delivered as an ordinary Windows update.
...you might be right. I've just got an update but I think it's actually the 2003 update on the slow ring.

if 1909 doesn't fix it Shingster, you could join the insiders builds on the slow ring and 2003 will definitely fix it.

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Thanks guys, sounds like I could be in for a wait then. Just gonna have to cross my fingers when I eventually install 1909 I guess!
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Old 20-11-2019, 07:27   #2793
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1909 has been showing for me for a few days now ...

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Old 20-11-2019, 08:27   #2794
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1909 update showing for me here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
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Old 20-11-2019, 08:33   #2795
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I installed it last week. It was done quicker than most of the cumulative updates so don't expect a full refresh.
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I have 3 windows machines to update - is there a way for me to download 1909 once, to save bandwidth, and install separately on each machine ?

I have the windows option turned on, to share updates with other machines on the network, but it doesn't seem to do very much (only a few hundred MB in a year).

And I seem to remember the online ISO downloader is simply an installer that analyses/adjusts for your specific machine.
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Old 20-11-2019, 20:48   #2797
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Yes

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

Use the second option and its saves it directly to a usb stick.

I always change it to both as I have 32 bit and 64 bit machines
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Well windows 1909 was a complete waste of time. Bloody thing froze at 27% during install and I had to turn my computer off. Seems to be a common issue with all windows 10 major updates up to this very build.

Is there any way for me to install this thing? Or am I just completely ****** at this point?

EDIT: Would corrupt files on my system before applying the update cause the update to freeze? I had fixed the corrupt files a few days back, but then I rolled back via system restore so those corrupt files are now there. Gonna clean them now, should I risk another update via windows update after cleaning?

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to be honest shingster, sound like it would be easier just to format and re-install. The time taking to set everything up from new would probably be quicker than trying to troubleshoot and fix the issues you are currently having.
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The luck I have when installing windows, formatting is a desperate last resort for me! I'll probably end up waiting it out until spring now.
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