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Old 02-01-2007, 09:15   #81
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Have to wait for confirmation i suppose but it wouldn't come as a huge shock i don't think. What do they have - three goes left before they have to find some way of resetting the clock on the regeneration thing?
Didn't the Master get given an extra set of regenerations at some point (seem to remember hearing that) which suggests to me that it's more a rule set by the timelords rather than an actual physical limitation, either just to stop timelords getting too cocky or because it's a drain on the source that powers it etc. (pure speculation on my part there), but with the timelords now gone the rule may no longer apply. So easy get out clause there that could be covered by a single line in a script.
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Old 02-01-2007, 11:18   #82
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The Master managed to give himself an extra regeneration by exploiting the source on Traken (cf The Keeper of Traken). He was later offered a new set of regenerations by the Time Lords because they needed his help to find out why the Doctor had been removed from his time stream (cf The Five Doctors).

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Old 02-01-2007, 11:24   #83
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With the way they keep bringing back the Daleks every few episodes after they have been completly wiped out I wouldn't expect them to keep to ridgidly to the regeneration rule.

Talking of the Daleks surely if they keep bringing them back they can find a way to bring the Time Lords back as well??

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Old 02-01-2007, 13:02   #84
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With the way they keep bringing back the Daleks every few episodes after they have been completly wiped out I wouldn't expect them to keep to ridgidly to the regeneration rule.

Talking of the Daleks surely if they keep bringing them back they can find a way to bring the Time Lords back as well??
I would imagine there's some sort of plan involving that. While I've not been a fan of about 50% of RTD's script work, he certainly thought about his arc fairly well for the first and second series. I presume he probably planned some big finale for three or four series' worth.
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Old 02-01-2007, 13:15   #85
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With the way they keep bringing back the Daleks every few episodes after they have been completly wiped out I wouldn't expect them to keep to ridgidly to the regeneration rule.
To be fair, they did show the Black Dalek escaping at the end of series 2.
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Old 02-01-2007, 13:19   #86
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The Master managed to give himself an extra regeneration by exploiting the source on Traken (cf The Keeper of Traken). He was later offered a new set of regenerations by the Time Lords because they needed his help to find out why the Doctor had been removed from his time stream (cf The Five Doctors).

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Thought there was something like that, so that seems to fit in with what I said, the Timelords could grant extra regenerations, so with the doctor being the only timelord left it's quite likely he can get round the 12 regenerations rule.
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Yep - the Black Dalek did an "emergency temporal relocation". Even in the original series, the Daleks were shown to have technology that almost equalled that of the Time Lords (who themselves were slowly downgraded from omnipotent godlike beings to being...quite a bit less so).

Also, in the early days, the Daleks kept reappearing. It's what they do.

As to regenerations, the Master used all his up prematurely; he attempted to steal the Eye of Harmony (the source of Time Lord power), an energy source sufficient to regenerate his final, decaying body. This failed, but strengthened him enough to attempt to take over the Source of Traken. He did so, was defeated, but retained enough of the powers of the Keepership to take over and partially rejuvenate the body of Tremas thus giving himself a "new body..at last!"

Later the Time Lords offered him a "whole new regenation cycle" as a reward for helping the Doctor.

Thus it is shown that the 13 limit is a natural one, but that given sufficient power, a Time Lord can overcome the limit.
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I reckon that if the 12 regeneration rule is to be overcome, the Doctor should have to at least have an 'adventure' to do so... rather than just a throwaway one line explanation. They could even have it as a series story 'arc'.
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Old 02-01-2007, 16:28   #91
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I reckon that if the 12 regeneration rule is to be overcome, the Doctor should have to at least have an 'adventure' to do so... rather than just a throwaway one line explanation. They could even have it as a series story 'arc'.
Could work well, the Doctor in a race against time searching for something hidden by the timelords before their defeat, though obviously it would have to be hidden somewhere in London.
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Could work well, the Doctor in a race against time searching for something hidden by the timelords before their defeat, though obviously it would have to be hidden somewhere in London.
probably on the most chavy council estate in London
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Could work well, the Doctor in a race against time searching for something hidden by the timelords before their defeat, though obviously it would have to be hidden somewhere in London.
...or Cardiff
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I reckon that if the 12 regeneration rule is to be overcome, the Doctor should have to at least have an 'adventure' to do so... rather than just a throwaway one line explanation. They could even have it as a series story 'arc'.
Of course, if you believe 'The Brain of Morbius' with Tom Baker from 1976, he was already on his tenth regeneration then...

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Of course, if you believe 'The Brain of Morbius' with Tom Baker from 1976, he was already on his tenth regeneration then...
Unless of course, you interpret the faces seen before William Hartnell's as being Morbius's previous regenerations ...

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i seem to remember one of the Romana's (the sexy one?) being able to regenerate at will, with no ill effects, and no limits set to the number of times she could do it. or did i just dream that??

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Unless of course, you interpret the faces seen before William Hartnell's as being Morbius's previous regenerations ...
... and people can argue on for 100s of pages on threads just about that one!

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Why would the Doctor want to prevent the natural ending of his life? He is painted as a solitary lonely figure, and considering the amount of death there has been in his life, you would think he would be more than prepared for it.

My money is on them simply retconning the 13 lives away. I'm sure there have already been throwaway lines of dialogue about his immortality - I think in School Reunion especially when the Doctor cackhandedly tries to fob off Sarah Jane about why he left her behind.
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