Go Back   Forums @ The Digital Fix > Entertainment Discussion Forums > Film Discussion

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 16-10-2001, 21:10   #1
Quint
Trusted User
 
Quint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: West London
Posts: 878
Thanks: 6
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Planet Of The Apes

Right I think im gonna buy the POTA apes boxset tommorow (well bought it today but I had to take it back ) and was wondering, are the films any good?

I have never seen any of the POTA films but love sci-fi so I wanna know are the sequels really that bad and what is the boxset like?

Cheers
__________________
http://twitter.com/Quint666
Quint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2001, 00:01   #2
Deaks
Not a movie snob!
 
Deaks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: N:51°21'/E:1°06'
Posts: 2,589
Thanks: 5
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Smile

I've just re-watched these myself over the last couple of weeks, and the sequels aren't as bad as most people will have you believe.

The first film is rightly considered a classic, and full of social comment but I think the series really skips a beat with the second film. James Fraciscus's character is a pale immitation of Heston's Taylor from the first and the films anti-was message is simplistic and the whole film depressing.

The science of the science-fiction of the series is tenuous at best, but it does allow the series to go in a new direction with the third and fourth films. The social comment is back as is Roddy McDowall as the different lead characters.

The final film is poor and makes little sense, but as a whole the box set is a must purchase as it includes the superb 1998 documentary. Be careful to watch it AFTER you've seen the films though.

Deaks.
Deaks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2001, 09:35   #3
Guest 3460
fallen english gent
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 956
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I agree with Deaks, I think the sequels have got something of a raw deal. I really enjoyed watching all five films and, well, didn't it just take me back to being a kid watching all those 50's b-movies on tv?

The first film is superb, and I was quite pleasantly surprised at how gripping some of the action scenes were (particularly the hunt). There's also some great cinematography, sly humour and, of course, THAT ending. My only gripe is that the films gets a little static in the final third.

Beneath... isn't a bad sequel, though I agree Franciscus is a little on the dull side for a hero (he's the spitting image of Troy McClure in The Simpsons's "Stop The Planet of The Apes, I Want to Get off!" musical!). It's a really pessimistic film, which I love in sci-fi, with a truly bleak ending.

The last three films, Escape..., Conquest..., and Battle all suffer from the laws of diminishing budgets, and diminishing ideas. But they're still kind of fun, and at least the first two progress the mythology of the series in fairly interesting directions, rounding off the story. Only Battle... is totally redundant.

The documentary Beyond... is one of the best I've seen on a DVD. At two hours +, it's allowed to cover POTA in great detail, but also has room to explore each of the sequels, and the TV series. But it's ESSENTIAL you watch this AFTER seeing all the films, as it gives detailed plot synopses.

All in all, a rather nice package.
Guest 3460 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2001, 09:56   #4
simong
I'm taking it back!
 
simong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: South East
Posts: 2,066
Thanks: 57
Thanked 205 Times in 72 Posts
Lets face it they're all better than the new one. Mr. Burton what were you thinking?
simong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 01:12   #5
BiscLimpkit
Hang out with my wang out
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 3,268
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
See the first one (which is awesome btw)... isn't it kinda rubbish having the ending plastered on the DVD and artwork? Ok I've had the ending spoil to me anyway but still... I thought it was supposed to be a twist.

Second I thought was very lite in comparison to the first... almost nodded off a few times... but managed to watch to the end.

Got the rest on my rental queue...

...but now I can watch the Tim Burton version (which I hear is kinda based on the first two films of the series).
BiscLimpkit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 01:55   #6
Guest 866
Trusted User
 
Guest 866's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 114
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
I've gotta say I've got a soft spot for Conquest. It's very bleak (especially in its uncut form which I've yet to see), and has tonnes of non-too-deep social commentary. Excellent B-movie material that shouldn't be overlooked.

Never understood why many rate Escape myself. Worst of the series, even over Battle which suffers most from the increasingly diminished budgets.

Last edited by DaveOr; 20-02-2010 at 01:55.
Guest 866 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 05:12   #7
Guest 2241
Trusted User
 
Guest 2241's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: cowtown
Posts: 20,591
Thanks: 77
Thanked 71 Times in 23 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by simong View Post
Lets face it they're all better than the new one. Mr. Burton what were you thinking?
"I can't believe they're letting me do this"?
"If I don't do this, Rob Zombie will and nobody wants that!"?

Any more suggestion
Guest 2241 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 09:43   #8
aprout
worn to perfection
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs
Posts: 7,050
Thanks: 229
Thanked 371 Times in 231 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscLimpkit View Post
See the first one (which is awesome btw)...


It's just a guess, but in the EIGHT YEARS since Quint posted this thread, he might've gotten round to watching them by now...

aprout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 09:54   #9
Jonnof
another man's pretentious
 
Jonnof's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 2,193
Thanks: 21
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
It's pretty clear that no-one involved in the 2001 version had any sensitivity whatsoever for the source material - it looks more crudely contrived as time goes on (and I don't believe the director selection process went any further than "Talking monkeys? Get Burton, he's good with the weird ****...")
There's more authentic Apes spirit in an episode of Lost than anything in that cynical crap.

Speaking of which, the Dharma Initiative-style ANSA film on the original PotA Blu-ray is quite lovely, and a great indication of the angle to take if Fox ever did decide to give the franchise another go-around. Just give it to someone like Nolan or Blomkamp this time!
Jonnof is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 10:58   #10
AndyWilson
--------old-geek
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 11,624
Thanks: 76
Thanked 182 Times in 121 Posts
I'm a huge fan of the originals, POTA and Escape are 2 of the best films ever made, and I've bought them way too many times now - but I still like the Burton version too.

Just putting people in monkey costumes gets a starter of 3/5 for me though, so any POTA film would have to be pretty bad for me not to like it (but Battle does come close)
AndyWilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2010, 11:16   #11
Quint
Trusted User
 
Quint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: West London
Posts: 878
Thanks: 6
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
lol yeah watched these now!
__________________
http://twitter.com/Quint666
Quint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2010, 17:18   #12
Guest 69911
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,030
Thanks: 4
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
A great original and some fun retro ape sequels make an essential boxset.

I have a soft spot for Beneath, which features some of the most bizarre mutant footage money can buy. Singing to a nuclear missile? I'll take one of those, please.

Conquest is greatly improved in its uncut form, which is doing the rounds of blu-ray.

Escape is a fine film, too, with a great opening bass-line.

I think Battle is the only one I don't watch fully, but still, the nuked city tour scene, with its comic-strip geiger counter dialogue, is lots of fun and worth the effort.
Guest 69911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 15:36   #13
rustybin
Xbox/PSN Tag: Rustybin69
 
rustybin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 24,073
Thanks: 1,211
Thanked 916 Times in 487 Posts
Watched this for the first time ever this morning. I don't quite know how at 32 years old I've avoided watching it until now. Blu looked and sounded very nice.

I thought it was very good, although not quite as good as I'd hoped given its 'classic' status.

Couple of questions (which may have been answered in film but I missed because of the wife needing some things explained):-

1. What happened to the moon?
2. How did they not use the stars to tell them where they were?
rustybin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2010, 11:13   #14
R-T-C
Klaus Kinksi's pet dog
 
R-T-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Keighley, UK
Posts: 2,982
Thanks: 35
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
Wow, not seen these films in years. Does the UK Blu-ray boxset include the extended cut of 'Conquest'?

Never even realised there was a TV series, is it as cheesy as it sounds?
__________________
Mondo Esoterica - cult and obscure film and DVD reviews | Flickr Gallery - British motorsports photography and more.
R-T-C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2010, 11:47   #15
AndyWilson
--------old-geek
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 11,624
Thanks: 76
Thanked 182 Times in 121 Posts
The TV series had some cheesy moments, but also some really good episodes.

It more or less followed the same plot as a lot of 60s/70s dramas - protaganists wandering the countryside looking for something they never find - see The Fugitive, Incredible Hulk, Kung Fu etc etc. Mainly one-off stories of varying quality - form excellent to - er - not so excellent.

If you're really a fan you should also seek out the animated serious - that's a real head **** at times!
AndyWilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2010, 12:06   #16
Guest 69911
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,030
Thanks: 4
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by R-T-C View Post
Wow, not seen these films in years. Does the UK Blu-ray boxset include the extended cut of 'Conquest'?
It does indeed. It's an improvement, though not quite the miraculous transformation my previous post may have indicated.

The UK set loses the extended cut of Battle. You can however access Battle's deleted scenes from the extras menu. Really, you ain't missing much with that one.
Guest 69911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 15:17   #17
DanWilde1966
I no longer post here.
 
DanWilde1966's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,005
Thanks: 28
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
Bought this five-film set at HMV for £12 (down from £50, apparently) this afternoon. I presume the Bexleyheath HMV "sale" is nationwide? First film great; second film rather good; third film a reversal of the first; fourth film vaguely dystopian and Orwellian; final film, frankly, pants. But all a bargain for £12.
DanWilde1966 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 15:34   #18
Summerisle
Trusted User
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2,000
Thanks: 62
Thanked 110 Times in 32 Posts
Working my way through the impractically designed R1 set on Blu and have to say I've really enjoyed them having never seen them in widescreen, and with the first three since they were first on tv so that's almost 30 years. Seeing "Conquest," in it's uncut form showed that actually it wasn't just a diminished return sequel but did try to say something to carry the saga on. And Bruce Surtees' photography really changed the rather bland look of the previous three installments. Think it will be "Battle," tonight to finish off the original series.

Last edited by Summerisle; 04-12-2010 at 15:34.
Summerisle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 16:03   #19
Spooky_uk
XBL/PSN : SPOOKYVILLE
 
Spooky_uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 15,962
Thanks: 0
Thanked 80 Times in 46 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanWilde1966 View Post
Bought this five-film set at HMV for £12 (down from £50, apparently) this afternoon. I presume the Bexleyheath HMV "sale" is nationwide? First film great; second film rather good; third film a reversal of the first; fourth film vaguely dystopian and Orwellian; final film, frankly, pants. But all a bargain for £12.

Is that DVD or BR? Online DVD set is a tenner but BR is nearly £70 still
Spooky_uk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 16:17   #20
DanWilde1966
I no longer post here.
 
DanWilde1966's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,005
Thanks: 28
Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooky_uk View Post
Is that DVD or BR? Online DVD set is a tenner but BR is nearly £70 still
The DVD, standard.
DanWilde1966 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 19:44.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2018 Poisonous Monkey Ltd. Part of The Digital Fix Network