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Old 08-02-2004, 12:58   #2001
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After watching all the game on foreign TV, Fletcher was truly awful, can't cross, can't pass and if I remember correctly at fault for two goals, lost the ball once which led to Rooney getting a corner and gave a free kick away, both resulting in goals.

Ronaldo was excellent for the few mins he was on, each game he is getting better imo, never seen anything in O'Shea his passing is horrendous, and defending isn't much better.

Brown : don't get me started on Brown, like Fletcher doesn't deserve to play, get G. Neville in the middle and Phil at right back I say.

With Ole back Fletcher should be banished to the reserves with Ronaldo and Kleberson ahead of him from now on.
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Old 08-02-2004, 13:15   #2002
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News Of The World report:

Joaquin to Utd in 14 mill summer move.
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Old 08-02-2004, 13:17   #2003
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what's the betting cuddly pete is faxing off a 20 million offer to betis at the moment .......
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Old 08-02-2004, 13:26   #2004
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what's the betting cuddly pete is faxing off a 20 million offer to betis at the moment .......
Interesting also recently Kenyon saying he would LOVE to see Beckham in a Chelsea shirt!!! Remember all the crap he came out with at the time saying it was excellent business for the club for a 28 year old etc............



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Joaquin for £14m?

Try £24m, and that's the opening bid, otherwise Betis will be ripping themselves off bigtime.

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It'll be interesting to see how the defence stands up in the next couple of games - in theory, we should keep clean sheets against Middlesborough and Leeds.
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Should and will are completely different, Brown should be able to defend but he can't
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Mark Howard is a good young defender, he really should be ahead of Bardsley in the pecking order.
Seen as Bardsley got sent off today for Antwerp I'd guess Howard is ahead of him now.
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Brown : don't get me started on Brown, like Fletcher doesn't deserve to play, get G. Neville in the middle and Phil at right back I say.
I totally agree about Wes Brown, well said

Fletcher has got quality and a cool (but rather ugly) head but too inconsistant at moment

I was at the Southampton game last week and Ruud was giving Ronaldo earache all game telling him to just cross the ball and yesterday voila...nice to see he's learning

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Old 08-02-2004, 22:32   #2010
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Joaquin for £14m?

Try £24m, and that's the opening bid, otherwise Betis will be ripping themselves off bigtime.
Well i think they can get him for a lot less than £24m but a bit more than £14m.


So thats Miller, Robben and possibly Trabelsi and Joaquin in.


Joaquin scored the winner in the last minute for Betis today.
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Old 08-02-2004, 23:11   #2011
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Well i think they can get him for a lot less than £24m but a bit more than £14m.


So thats Miller, Robben and possibly Trabelsi and Joaquin in.


Joaquin scored the winner in the last minute for Betis today.
Miller = Free
Robben = £10-£14m?
Trabelsi = i thought he was out of contract this summer? otherwise £5m?
Joaquin = £16-18m

Thats quite an outlay, not sure whether Utd have that sort of cash hanging around, mind you we might say goodbye to:

Butt = £5.5m
Forlan = £4m
Barthez = £1m
Ricardo = £1m

So maybe it would be a net spend of £20m or so, which would not be too bad, considering Utd spent

Saha = £12.8m
Howard = £2.3m
Djemba X 2 = £3.5m
Ronaldo = £12.25m
Bellion = £1m
Kleberson = £7.5m
But got back

Beckham = £24m
Veron = £14m

which is net -£1.5m (ish)

If that came off Utd would have a brilliant young team.
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Forlan = £4m

Who, then again maybe Boro
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Forlan = £4m

Who, then again maybe Boro
yeah probably if they were going to buy Heskey for £5m, and they bought Rickets for over £3m, mind you he's probably got more goals than Fowler - so maybe City would want to improve their front line
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Can anyone read the story in the following link and then work out how on earth they came up with the headline?

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/...185317&cpid=23
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united could easily spend 25-30 million on players in the summer without the need for big sales.

I don't remember sales needed to fund the signings of ferdinand, veron or ruud. sales were made in the aftermath, because the players going weren't good enough for United any more. With the exception of becks, who was simply an exceptional player, can anyone remember the last first team player who left united that has got better since leaving ?
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Anyone else think that Man Utd might be talking to okocha? In some of his recent interviews, he's been pretty cagey when asked about his contract. Is it 'legal' for other teams to approach someone in the last sixth months of his contract? Of course, it could be any of the big clubs in the premier league, but it definitely looks like he'll stay in England.

Either way, from his recent interviews, I reckon Bolton will do well to hang on to him.
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Okocha is absolutely class, BUT he's very much not the type of player united are going for in terms of age profile.
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united could easily spend 25-30 million on players in the summer without the need for big sales.

I don't remember sales needed to fund the signings of ferdinand, veron or ruud. sales were made in the aftermath, because the players going weren't good enough for United any more. With the exception of becks, who was simply an exceptional player, can anyone remember the last first team player who left united that has got better since leaving ?

Tiabe (Sp)
Dublin
Stam (?)
Poborsky

can't think of many recent ones.

But Utd could afford Ferdinand, because they sold Stam.

Man Utd are a PLC and they need to balance the books, they do not have the unlimited spending power of the likes of Chelsea - they will not overspend, if Utd brought in 4/5 players in the summer, then no doubt players would have to go because the squad would be too big.
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Okocha is absolutely class, BUT he's very much not the type of player united are going for in terms of age profile.
but Fergie brought in Blanc, and was prepared to bring in Di Canio, so I could see it happening as he is on a Bosman, not quite sure where he would play though?
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I agree that players will go in the summer, but more due to balancing the squad size, rather than the balance sheets. Tiabi (sp again) never really got a chance at united, same with Dion Dublin (who knows what would have happened but for a broken leg). Stam, has if anything gone backwards since that majestic 98-99 season. One of my favourite images of that mighty treble, was Zamarano 'bouncing' off Stam when he tried to muscle him at a set piece, in the united vs inter match at OT. Poborksy probably wouldn't have gone if he had been an EU player.
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