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Old 19-09-2011, 22:03   #141
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Have to say, I just watched that segment on youtube and the "star destroyer" could quite easily have just been entering the edge of the battle as Obi Wan and Anakin were. Of all the things to nitpick, that's a complete red herring.
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Old 19-09-2011, 22:26   #142
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Have to say, I just watched that segment on youtube and the "star destroyer" could quite easily have just been entering the edge of the battle as Obi Wan and Anakin were. Of all the things to nitpick, that's a complete red herring.
Jesus H. Christ - watch the scene. You see not only the immediate vicinity, but far beyond. Way further than the ships have got to before they descend. The battle is going on over a considerable space. As far as the eye can see, above and below in every direction. Indeed, they fly back over the ground that was directly below and untouched in the first shot. And it's chaos over there, would you believe.

There are Destroyers facing the same way and behind the one they've just flown over in the opening shot as you see when they suddenly drop. And guess what... they're in battle. There is no point in defending what's in the shot. You just start to sound like Rick McCallum. It's total CGI overkill with no thought to his audience being anything other than brain dead.
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Old 19-09-2011, 22:31   #143
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I've watched it over and over today and I think you're completely wrong. 100% wrong.

The ship is at the top edge of the battle, on a 2d plane let's say it is at 12 o clock. The battle is occurring where the hands meet in the middle. Therefore you wouldn't see the battle from the opening angle. The geography is absolutely correct.
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As the film opens the camera deliberately moves towards the large ship, slowly cutting off from our view what is immediately in front of and below the ship.

When you first see the two ships, you can't even see more than half of the rear of the larger ship. We then follow the two ships for 20 seconds (all the while the large ship is still moving) before its revealed that the large ship has been moving towards and into a battle. Cue opening chaos.

It is absolutely correct.

It is fun picking holes in Star Wars, though, but the biggest, as I see it, is the Death Star managing to track the Falcon to the rebel base, halfway accross the galaxy, and then positioning itself where it has to wait 30 minutes for the moon to come into range. It's like the driving section is managed by Transport for London.

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Old 20-09-2011, 03:16   #145
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George Lucas would be proud of you guys, you have brought balance to the opening shot of Ep III!

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Old 20-09-2011, 06:17   #146
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To those who have watched the despecialised versions, is it annoying / noticeable when the footage jumps from HD to the spliced in up-scaled dvd footage. Its the one thing that stops me from clicking the download button.
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To those who have watched the despecialised versions, is it annoying / noticeable when the footage jumps from HD to the spliced in up-scaled dvd footage. Its the one thing that stops me from clicking the download button.
Didn't find it jarring... but after attempting DL disc burning with no success, I have gone to the dark side and picked up the proper blu rays for the original trilogy cheap.
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It is fun picking holes in Star Wars, though, but the biggest, as I see it, is the Death Star managing to track the Falcon to the rebel base, halfway accross the galaxy, and then positioning itself where it has to wait 30 minutes for the moon to come into range. It's like the driving section is managed by Transport for London.
And seeing as they have tons of imperial Star Destroyers, why didn't they just blockade the planet at the same time they sent the Death Star there? Then the X-Wing Fighters wouldn't even have been a problem.
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Old 20-09-2011, 14:37   #150
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To those who have watched the despecialised versions, is it annoying / noticeable when the footage jumps from HD to the spliced in up-scaled dvd footage. Its the one thing that stops me from clicking the download button.
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Old 20-09-2011, 16:10   #154
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I thought this sort of talk was banned on this forum anyway? Have the rules been relaxed?
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I thought this sort of talk was banned on this forum anyway? Have the rules been relaxed?
I thought talk was fine, as long as no one was actually told where the files could acquired?
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Old 20-09-2011, 23:29   #156
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Well after owning the thing for week, viewing and enjoying all six over successive nights, my packaging has just started to fall apart. Went to put the ROTJ disc back in the case and take out the next disc. As I did this the ROTJ section of the blue disc holders came clean out! I've stuck it back in as best I can but the package seems to be very flimsy. The glue holding the disc holders to the spine seems to be very weak.

I've treated the set very carefully since getting it and am disappointed that it's starting to fall apart already!

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Old 20-09-2011, 23:51   #157
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Of course it's clearly done for effect. And this effect is achieved by the filmmaker showing you one thing and then contradicting himself.
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You should be able to see hundreds of ships and battles in that opening shot. But you see none. Because George Lucas either a) doesn't give a rat's ass or b) he's mocking you.
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Lucas and his SFX team fail to hide behind the ship. You know what's underneath before you see it, and that it's tranquil because Lucas has shown you. In blatant visual terms. Then he changes his mind. It's. Retarded.
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There is no point in defending what's in the shot. You just start to sound like Rick McCallum. It's total CGI overkill with no thought to his audience being anything other than brain dead.
Blimey. You do your argument no favours. I think it's clear to everyone that the opening shot in ROTS is supposed to be an artistic trick of perspective, rather like a war film where one huge tank rolls into frame and then the camera tilts to show an entire battlefield. We all know the effect that is trying to be achieved. None of us feel personally insulted or betrayed by the idea of what we're watching.

I agree it's not totally convincing. If you want the geography of the scene to make total literal sense, it's a bit jarring. The concept somewhat fails in execution.

But my God, man... why do you argue the way you do? You describe this issue as though the evil monster George Satan Lucas and his team of evil VFX demons are lurking behind that Star Destroyer rubbing their hands together with glee and going, "Bwa-ha-ha! We are literally defecating into the mouths of our fans by presenting a shot that doesn't literally make geographic sense! Hahaha!!"

Get a grip.


Edit: you know what's distracting when you notice it? In ANH, only half of the Millennium Falcon is built in the hangar bay. It literally looks like half the ship stood against a wall. EVIL George Lucas, mocking the fans with such an INCOMPETENT failed shot! The geography doesn't make sense AT ALL!

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I agree with Squeaky, I think McD is definitely right that technically the trick of perspective doesn't quite make sense, but it's not nearly as clear cut as he claims so the complaints do come across as over-zealous. The camera does a lot of fancy pans and twists and turns before you get to the big reveal of the battle, and I think the replies of KRW and hookbeak if anything prove that for many viewers it works!

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Old 22-09-2011, 08:19   #159
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I've never actually noticed the issue with the opening shot of RotS or the half-built Falcon in ANH.

THANKS FOR RUINING THE FILMS FOR ME GUYS.

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These films are not documentaries, they're entertainment.
They use artistic licence to tell the story.

Anyone ever been to moviemistakes.com? You'll find All manner of inconsistencies, doesn't make them bad films or film makers though.
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