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Old 09-07-2008, 10:15   #1
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The Dark Knight: Bluray Aspect Ratio changes due to IMAX

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1488

Have any of the rest of you seen this one?

The aspect ratio on the Blu of TDK is going to shift when the IMAX scenes appear!

I know niceguygeoff mentioned in the Batman Begins thread he thought it would all be 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 throughout, but apparantly not

As it is a seperate title i thought it warrented its own thread

I'm not sure what to think on this one, it's always good to use as much of the screen as possible if the information is there, but will it take away from the film if the aspect ratio changes while watching?
As the IMAX ratio is close to TV ratio (1.34:1 i think) then some information will be lost anyway matting down to 1.78:1 for the imax scenes.
I suppose that matting it even further down to 2.35:1 will lose too much info?
Surely Nolan had in mind the non-imax cinemas and home releases when framing it though?

I'm not sure what i think on this, it'll look different and you'll know when the IMAX bits kick in thats for sure, but will it interrupt the flow of the film?
Dr Stragelove is the only film i can think of with changing ratios?

What ratio is the IMAX prologue on the BB Blu? is that 1.78:1?

hmmmm......
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Looking at the comments after the annocement just reflects my feelings.... utter confusion.

I don't the sound of switching AR throughout a movie. I didn't like it on Dr Strangelove and i won't like it here.

On the other hand if it keeps the AR and just provides a boost in PQ in certain sections of the film then i'm all for it
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:52   #3
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Will this be on the DVD as well I wonder? Maybe you can choose which one to watch.
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it would be nice if they gave you the option of watching all in 2.35:1 or with switching ratios via seamless branching. Then everyones happy.
Obviously there is the space on a Blu disc to do this. Does anyone know of a Blu or HDDVD disc that offers seamless branching yet though?
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I'm not sure what to think on this one, it's always good to use as much of the screen as possible if the information is there, but will it take away from the film if the aspect ratio changes while watching?
I can't imagine that it wouldn't. Hopefully the BD will have the option of watching the whole thing in the theatrical aspect ratio.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:56   #6
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Yeah, the prologue is at 1.78.

Woah. I was certain about the fixed aspect ratio outside of IMAX because no-one aside from Kubrick (AFAIK) has had the balls to do anything like this before on a 'mainstream' film. But I guess Nolan is so enamoured with the results that he wants the IMAX stuff (which does look spectacular on Blu) to be seen in all its glory in the home.

Yes, there have been some flicks like Galaxy Quest that start in one ratio then move to another, but once it changes it stays fixed, whereas TDK sounds as if the ratio will be alternating throughout, Kubrick style.

The thing is, TDK will surely be fixed at 2.35 in regular cinemas (as changing aspect ratios for a theatrical release are a royal pain in the arse; not even Kubrick's much-contested films had alternating aspect ratios when projected theatrically) and that's how I'll be seeing it, so that's how I'd prefer the movie to look in the home too.

I also don't like shifting ratios because they are a distraction at best. Why didn't Nolan shoot the rest of the movie in Super 35? He could then quite easily 'open up' the 2.35 mattes to 1.78 to match the IMAX stuff for the home, presenting a consistently taller ratio. Instead he went with his preferred anamorphic, which is a fixed 2.35 ratio.

Can, worms, open.
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Extremely ballsy. Still, I'm happy we'll get it as filmed ultimately.

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Does anyone know of a Blu or HDDVD disc that offers seamless branching yet though?
I am Legend. Which, interestingly, is a Warners title.

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Old 09-07-2008, 11:20   #8
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I am Legend. Which, interestingly, is a Warners title.
Warners did not use seamless branching for IAL, as they put two separate encodes on the disc (for both the red and blue versions). The 'Archival Versions' disc in the Blade Runner set was branched though.

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Warners did not use seamless branching for IAL, as they put two separate encodes on the disc (for both the red and blue versions). The 'Archival Versions' disc in the Blade Runner set was branched though.
Ah, didnt realise that.
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I can't see this to be honest, it'll be an optional feature to see the Imax stuff opened up similar to how my Apollo 13 DVD has the shorter Imax version in the altered aspect ratio. You will be able to watch the entire film in the normal, theatrical ratio, I'd bet a lot of money on it. Hell, you can compare some of the shots from the prologue to how they'll be framed theatrically in the trailer, and they're not that bad. There might be some extra movement though, similar to pan & scan but I'm sure that was well thought about when storyboarding.
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What exactly is the "Imax" stuff....?
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Saw Batman Begins in IMAX in NYC in 2005, was ace.
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I'm a little bit confused by this.
Will they really have the aspect ratio change in certain scenes?
That will annoy me greatly.
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The aspect ratio will change only in IMAX cinemas. Normal cinemas will be locked to 2.40:1.
Basically, 6 scenes of the film have been shot in IMAX format, which is about 1.44:1. At an IMAX cinema these scenes will expand out and fill the entire screen. Theres a clip in the Dark Knight thread of one of the IMAX scenes as you'll see it at a normal screening, and its basically been quite heavily cropped, quite noticably in one of the penultimate shots.

So, what this thread is about is a replication of the IMAX screenings. In these 6 scenes the image will expand from 2.40:1 to fill your tv screen, and then snap back. The most important point is whether there will be branching versions on the disc when it arrives.

And before anyone says 'why not shoot in IMAX the whole time so we don't get this problem?' the cameras are heavy, cumbersome, very loud [meaning you have to rerecord all location sound - a pain] they only take 3 minutes of film stock at a time, and that stock is more expensive than normal film.
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Old 14-07-2008, 11:04   #16
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So why do all these limitations exist? What's the difference between and Imax and any other film that's shot at a different ratio?
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I do feel this does warrant the question that as a film maker is Nolan OK with the fact that a vast majority of the people who see this film wont be able to see it in the aspect ratio that he filmed some of it in?

Im surprised that he has not taken some steps to ensure most people will be able to see what is going on without anything important cropped off - or has he
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Dude, Nolan is the instigator!
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