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Old 08-10-2005, 12:43   #701
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We're still waiting for the outcome of the DVD-A and SACD war... only to find they're both losers, though still clinging on as a niche market format (like Laserdisc).
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Old 10-10-2005, 20:16   #702
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One thing that concerns me (with either format) is the ability to play imported movies. Generally I prefer not to have a speedup issue, so I'd prefer to import.
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Old 10-10-2005, 21:03   #703
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not entirely sure, but i thought that HD was just going to be HD, with there being no difference in picture systems this time around? i'm sure DeadKenny knows the answer.

as for importing, some interesting news that HD-DVD might not be region-coded.

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Old 10-10-2005, 21:06   #704
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Whereas I prefer the speedup over the 3:2 pulldown, but then I still import because of the need to get a better version than the UK version sometimes, so often means R4 for good PAL versions, and then other times I resort to R1 where I have no other choice for best version.

Sadly the region protection will still exist as the studios run a protection racket (against international and certainly EU trade laws), to protect their interests in each region in an anti-competitive and anti-consumer manner. New copy protection systems will mean new methods of blocking imports. The T2 HD version on DVD is an early example of this where you needed a US ISP account to even play the damn thing.




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not entirely sure, but i thought that HD was just going to be HD, with there being no difference in picture systems this time around? i'm sure DeadKenny knows the answer.
I don't know for sure ... but from what I've been reading they do come in both 50Hz and 60Hz formats and will still have the same issue of conversion from 24fps.

e.g. 720p/60 for US and 720p/50 for UK.

A missed opportunity for sure if they haven't settled on a uniform format.

Then again, the progressive formats are easier to play at 24fps regardless of the original (WinDVD does this on PCs). The only problem is if they do pitch correction on the 50Hz formats where there is normally a speed up. Pitch corrected audio is near impossible to fix back to the original speed. Where it's speeded up it's simple to just slow it down again.

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Old 10-10-2005, 23:11   #705
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Whereas I prefer the speedup over the 3:2 pulldown, but then I still import because of the need to get a better version than the UK version sometimes, so often means R4 for good PAL versions, and then other times I resort to R1 where I have no other choice for best version.

Sadly the region protection will still exist as the studios run a protection racket (against international and certainly EU trade laws), to protect their interests in each region in an anti-competitive and anti-consumer manner. New copy protection systems will mean new methods of blocking imports. The T2 HD version on DVD is an early example of this where you needed a US ISP account to even play the damn thing.





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This could be a bad thing. What got many of us into DVD in the first place was importing Discs. A film might be cut by the BBFC and you want the overseas uncut version, or whatever.
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Old 13-10-2005, 09:04   #706
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The only way I will consider upgrading to blu-ray will be:

a) You can still get multi-regional machines unless they scrap the whole regional coding as it's pretty usuless at the moment (until the studios wake up and release similar quality products in all regions at similar prices therefore virtually eliminating the need to import except when the BBFC interfere)

b) When you buy a disc - it's yours - you can play it whenever you like. This means NO internet connection - ever. (How many people have a telephone socket near their TV at the moment anyway?)

c) when the price of HD displays come down to an acceptable level (I don't believe that initial players will be that expensive - it's just the displays that will cost the earth)
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Old 18-10-2005, 11:14   #707
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Bill Gates isn't too happy about Blu-Ray

"Gates: Well, the key issue here is that the protection scheme under Blu-ray is very anti-consumer and there's not much visibility of that. The inconvenience is that the [movie] studios got too much protection at the expense consumers [sic] and it won't work well on PCs. You won't be able to play movies and do software in a flexible way.

It's not the physical format that we have the issue with, it's that the protection scheme on Blu is very anti-consumer. If [the Blu-ray group] would fix that one thing, you know, that'd be fine."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051017-5445.html
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And for an existing example, just look at SACD.
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Bill Gates isn't too happy about Blu-Ray

"Gates: Well, the key issue here is that the protection scheme under Blu-ray is very anti-consumer and there's not much visibility of that. The inconvenience is that the [movie] studios got too much protection at the expense consumers [sic] and it won't work well on PCs. You won't be able to play movies and do software in a flexible way.

It's not the physical format that we have the issue with, it's that the protection scheme on Blu is very anti-consumer. If [the Blu-ray group] would fix that one thing, you know, that'd be fine."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051017-5445.html
I think Bill has hit the nail on the head there (the OTT protection is the turn off for me).
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Old 21-10-2005, 09:14   #710
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Wartner Bros goes both ways too now..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4362906.stm
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But have they lost HP?

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/20/di...ros/index.html

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Old 21-10-2005, 17:11   #712
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I think Bill has hit the nail on the head there (the OTT protection is the turn off for me).
The Manditory mangaged copy requirement? Well it might be nice but I can see why studios don't want it and I can't see myself paying for the privelage of being able to copy something I already own. I believe that BR is willing to let studios decide and I think that's very reasonable rather than OTT!!

The HP thing is probably the best thing that's happened to HD-DVD in a year and it's not even that good, that's how bad things are going for them. Lets not forget that Universal are also non-exclusivly commited to HD-DVD so they also could support both but even if they didn't you'd have to be crazy to consider HD-DVD
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The Manditory mangaged copy requirement? Well it might be nice but I can see why studios don't want it and I can't see myself paying for the privelage of being able to copy something I already own. I believe that BR is willing to let studios decide and I think that's very reasonable rather than OTT!!
But when BR is essentially Sony, and Sony are very heavily into copy protection, I can't see them letting studios opt out, especially when Sony will require everyone has an expensive licence from them to even produce a disc.


Funny enough, many people claim the PS3 will be the driving force behind BR, and yet if you look at how Sony control PS2 format discs and how few companies can actually afford to master a proper PS2 disc, it's a wonder if there will be many PS3 titles especially if the equipment is in short supply initially. I can't see just the presence of a BR player in the thing actually driving BR production when Sony put up so many obstacles.
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Well if Sony are going to apply this kind of DRM to Blu-Ray, they can shove their discs no matter how good they may be...

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/200...al-rights.html

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Old 03-11-2005, 12:59   #715
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I think they will try.
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I notice Digital Bit has the technical grids from the back of the first HD DVD titles here: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

The video is listed as 1080p High Definition. I have a Panasonic PV500 and I believe the native resolution is 720p, am I right that the plasma would automatically downscale the 1080p image to 720p?
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Old 05-04-2006, 07:23   #717
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Perhaps, but what is more likely is that on the HD DVD player itself, you would select 720p on the settings menu and the player itself would carry out the scaling.

I doubt there'd be too much difference between the player doing it and the screen doing it however; rescaling a progressive scan image is far, far easier than an interlaced one - but the player would most likely do a slightly better job.
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I think they will try.
They will only be able to put it on their own discs if they even wanted to. It's pretty unlikely given the protection already in place.


BTW, shouldn't this thread be in the other forum and/or closed?
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Fortunately my TV (pannie TXPD30) is HD ready with a small authorised mod.

Absolutely no way on earth I'll be replacing anything though.

Mind you after playing Spiderman 3 through it for the first time that may change.

Then we'll have to wait until 2020 for the Star Wars Nineology to reach us.
Random bump....

Prophecy

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