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Old 06-03-2017, 19:41   #2121
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I can see why Mings would get away with it.

Far too many people are confusing 'stamping on' with 'treading on'. At no point does Mings look down to make sure Zlatan is below - so he could argue it was accidental. If he did 'stamp' then Zlatan 'stamped' on him before then

'At no point does Mings look down'

Even though the commentators pointed out that he did?

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Old 06-03-2017, 20:12   #2122
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The language used by the FA,going on past history would suggest that Mings will get more than 3 games.

Can't believe none of the newspapers used the headline "Mings the Merciless"...


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Old 06-03-2017, 20:44   #2123
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I agree with Adam. Mings didn't at any point look where his foot was landing. It looked purely accidental to me.

Whereas you can see the amount of force Zlatan used when swinging his arm, which was not normal for just leverage for jumping. Definitely deliberate.

Mings is unlucky if he gets a ban IMO.
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Old 06-03-2017, 21:28   #2124
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oh well a domestic ban for Zlatan , give him a rest and should give Rashford a decent run
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Old 07-03-2017, 08:45   #2125
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I really cant believe anyone defending Mings, its horrendous, perhaps thats what you see/ dont see through those ABU glasses. He should be banned for 6 matches.

Zlaten deserves a ban, but Mings deserved to be smashed. I am surprised however that the ref didnt see the elbow, if he didn't why on earth was he talking to Zlatan for a couple of mins afterwards? Unless the rules have changed, I thought the FA could only bring a charge if the ref missed it? It looked to me like the ref saw what happened and decided (wrongly) that no punishment was required.


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Old 07-03-2017, 08:47   #2126
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Wasn't the push and red card straight after the elbow? Perhaps the ref was talking to him about that?

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Old 07-03-2017, 09:13   #2127
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I agree with Adam. Mings didn't at any point look where his foot was landing. It looked purely accidental to me.

Whereas you can see the amount of force Zlatan used when swinging his arm, which was not normal for just leverage for jumping. Definitely deliberate.

Mings is unlucky if he gets a ban IMO.
You are being serious?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GoM5e1PQSM

So what is he looking at at 0:05??
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Old 07-03-2017, 15:21   #2128
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I really cant believe anyone defending Mings, its horrendous, perhaps thats what you see/ dont see through those ABU glasses. He should be banned for 6 matches.

Zlaten deserves a ban, but Mings deserved to be smashed. I am surprised however that the ref didnt see the elbow, if he didn't why on earth was he talking to Zlatan for a couple of mins afterwards? Unless the rules have changed, I thought the FA could only bring a charge if the ref missed it? It looked to me like the ref saw what happened and decided (wrongly) that no punishment was required.
The ref didn't see much in that game apparently; he didn't see Zlatan 'stamp'/tread on Mings seconds before Mings 'stamps' on him, he didn't see Zlatan throw Mings to the floor [ in the same way Pogba threw Henderson to the floor earlier in the season ] earlier in the game, etc, etc

Niot sure it is wise to go on what the ref did/didn't/should've seen
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Old 07-03-2017, 15:58   #2129
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Not wise - will he read this and get upset? Im pretty sure he saw Zlatan throw Mings to the floor and they were having words afterwards! I'm certain everyone thinks the ref had a mare, we can all agree on that, whether it was missing things or not dealing with incidents.

I like your irrelevant point about something that happened in a liverpool match months ago...


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3 match ban for Zlatan, Mings has appealed. Risky.

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Old 08-03-2017, 11:38   #2131
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The ref didn't see much in that game apparently; he didn't see Zlatan 'stamp'/tread on Mings seconds before Mings 'stamps' on him, he didn't see Zlatan throw Mings to the floor [ in the same way Pogba threw Henderson to the floor earlier in the season ] earlier in the game, etc, etc

Niot sure it is wise to go on what the ref did/didn't/should've seen
It's not even a question of what the referee didn't see - he sure as hell saw Arter make a couple of bookable offences whilst on a yellow from early in the first half, yet he finished the game and could've won it at the end. Even the Surman sending-off probably wouldn't have happened if he'd realised he had already booked him (which clearly he didn't, hence the delay in producing the red). He did get both the penalties right though, but that's about all you can say for that performance.
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Old 08-03-2017, 16:07   #2132
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I personally don't think Mings deliberately stamped on Zlatan but he was certainly reckless in just running over him. If you are being careful (which I accept is very hard to do in a competitive situation) or 'not reckless' then you realise there is a risk of standing on your opponent and you take a different route that doesn't involve the chance of standing on his face.

Zlatan has rightly copped his ban. It's asking a lot of the panel to review the Mings video and decide that he didn't stamp on him - he clearly did and whether he did it intentionally or recklessly I think the outcome will be the same. Ban.
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Old 08-03-2017, 16:38   #2133
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5 matches, 4 for the stamp and 1 for appealing it?

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Seems about right. Glad its more than the regulation 3 match ban for violent conduct.


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5 matches, 4 for the stamp and 1 for appealing it?
Why would it be "1 for appealing it" ? It was not a frivolous appeal (by the usual definition). Or else where's the 1 game extra ban for Zlatan for claiming Mings jumped into his elbow ??

Just another example of "trial by media" used by the FA - if the media hadn't gone on and on about it, Mings would only have got 3.

But what is most annoying is that he gets a longer ban for an unproven stamp than Zlatan got for an, arguably, just as unproven elbow.
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Bournemouth have gone full Liverpool with their statement - next they will be getting the t shirts out!

Why would Zlatan get an extra match ban for his statement after the match, he didn't appeal the charge! Surprised you haven't claimed Fergie is still running the FA!


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Bournemouth have gone full Liverpool with their statement - next they will be getting the t shirts out!

Why would Zlatan get an extra match ban for his statement after the match, he didn't appeal the charge! Surprised you haven't claimed Fergie is still running the FA!


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The elbow wouldn't have happened had the ref sent Mings off for the stamp, nor would the actual sending off that occurred. The ref was **** for both sides.
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The point is that Mings' stamp was debatable, whereas Ibrahimovichs elbow was clearly deliberate and yet gets a lesser penalty.

Fair enough for admitting guilt which should be encouraged, but doesn't seem right when you can't say with certainty what Mings intended.
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Bournemouth have gone full Liverpool with their statement - next they will be getting the t shirts out!

Why would Zlatan get an extra match ban for his statement after the match, he didn't appeal the charge! Surprised you haven't claimed Fergie is still running the FA!


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Appeals aren't deemed frivolous based on whether you plead guilty or not.

Stating you didn't elbow someone but rather that person jumped into your elbow sounds pretty frivolous to me.
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The elbow wouldn't have happened had the ref sent Mings off for the stamp, nor would the actual sending off that occurred. The ref was **** for both sides.
The stamp wouldn't have happened had the ref correctly sent off Zlatan for the WWE throwdown on Mings.

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The point is that Mings' stamp was debatable, whereas Ibrahimovichs elbow was clearly deliberate and yet gets a lesser penalty.

Fair enough for admitting guilt which should be encouraged, but doesn't seem right when you can't say with certainty what Mings intended.
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