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Old 25-05-2010, 18:03   #21
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Take Oldboy as an example, that got through on a technicality (the act didn't cover octopi) so the BBFC were happy to pass it.
I watched Oldboy about 5 or 6 years ago, and don't remember any animal cruelty to octopi. Can you remind me what happens?
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Old 25-05-2010, 18:19   #22
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Apparently the BBFC have requested 5 seconds of hungry cat action be removed from Inferno.

No big deal imo - I'll still buy this.
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I watched Oldboy about 5 or 6 years ago, and don't remember any animal cruelty to octopi. Can you remind me what happens?
The main character eats a live octopus in a restaurant.

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But you can harm an octopus on a technicality? All that sends out is a message that it's okay to harm some creatures and not others and yes, the law does become meaningless.
I don't think they did allow it on a technicality, can you provide a link to information saying this is why they allowed it?

The reason I doubt that info is because the 1937 Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act clearly doesn't make any distinction between animals, it says any animal and that's that. Films have been cut for cruelty to marine animals before for example The Isle, another South Korean film that was cut for cruelty to fish I believe (never seen the UK cut myself).

Oldboy was allowed because it was deemed a clean kill. In Korea people do eat live octopi (you can order it in restaurants) so filming someone eating it is no diffeent to filming a marine predator eating octopi for a wildlife programme. As a result you can argue that the incident would of occured regardless of whether the camera was there filming (which is why scenes of ritual slaughter and butchery are allowed).

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Old 25-05-2010, 19:05   #24
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Thanks for that Shingster. I really don't remember that bit! Hate animal cruelty.
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I'm uneasy about the eating of Octopi in general. They're very intelligent animals and I could never bring myself to eat one in a million years. That said, I don't really mind it being in a film if its part of the culture and practiced anyway. I'm a mess of contradictions me.
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Old 25-05-2010, 19:36   #26
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I'm a mess of contradictions me.
I know the feeling well.

Still, I'd say octopus could be quite the snack. But cooked first, surely.
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Phenomena on Blu, awesome!
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I don't think they did allow it on a technicality, can you provide a link to information saying this is why they allowed it?
I'm about 75% certain that I heard this on the Mark Kermode Radio 5 film review show once. I don't think the exact phrase technicality was used, but the gist of it was that the act didn't cover an octopus and that was why it was passed. I may be wrong though.

On balance, unless someone else is bringing out Inferno on Blu Ray in the near future, I'll probably get the Arrow disc as the shot in question is inconsequential to the film as a whole. As an anorak I'd prefer it if it was back in there, but I can always watch the DVD if I ever feel the strange desire to watch a mouse being eaten (not likely!).

As for The Isle, I wished they'd cut about 80 minutes more...
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I expected it but it's still annoying.
As insignificant as it is the cut means the film is incomplete.
Do Blue Underground have any plans for this film ?
Nothing has been announced as of yet. This'll likely be the best package for the forseeable.
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It's hardly likely to be the only release worldwide once the HD print is out there. I'm torn, I'll see how good the rest of the print is. If it turns out to be Deep Pink (like Suspiria ) I'll pass.

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Actually, I remember reading (can't remember where) that new French blus of Inferno, Tenebrae, Cat O Nine Tails and Phenomena were due later this year. Deep Red has now been confirmed DVD only by Arrow.

If that's actually based on fact, then that could explain where Arrow are sourcing their HD materials from.

French discs often feature forced subs, but you never know...

EDIT: Here's the link (it's in French)

http://www.filmsactu.com/preview-dvd...-2011-7905.htm

Under the listing is this comment (google translated unfortunately):

The publisher announced that the films have been remastered in HD from the original negatives and that the transfers were supervised by the director and the cinematographers involved. Hopefully, these remasters are not as violent as that of Suspiria, who had shared good at the time of its release.
A very nice program for fans of Argento (although nit-picking, we regret that Four Flies on Grey Velvet is not programmed).

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I'm getting confused as to what I'm actually on aboot. Inferno I mean.

Phenomena is another one I love. Can't wait for that in HD.
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A German blu-ray release of Inferno is due in August, according to a post from the distributor at the Lovelockandload forum.

It's such a shame about these cuts as the Arrow releases are made for collectors.
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Re The Oldboy thing - I'm sure the BBFC said they allowed it because the animal was not shown to be in distress, or somesuch contradictory rubbish.
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Okay, I downloaded the BBFC report for 2004.

To quote: "There were some media reports about a scene in
the Korean film Oldboy in which a man appears to
eat a live octopus in a sushi bar. However, the
Board considered that the scene – which actually
cuts away at the crucial moment – represented a
quick, clean kill. "

So it's not to do with a technicality. Very odd decision in my opinion, the sight of the octopus' tentacles squirming over his face whilst eating it looks far worse to me than a shot of a cat chewing on a mouse which looks like pate by that stage, but I guess that's why I'm not a censor. Sorry, "classifier". Decisions like this do nothing to destroy the old myth that they're more lenient on subtitled art-house films.
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Inferno passed uncut:

http://www.cult-labs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2995
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Bloody hell. Was not expecting that. Good for Arrow.
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*nice* well done BBFC too.
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This is now one of the most anticipated releases of the year for me. Love the colours in this film and can't wait to see it on Blu-ray.
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Yeah, the soundtrack too, is pretty amazing on this one. I love the opening sequence and can't wait.
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