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Old 09-01-2004, 21:45   #21
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No it's not. High & Dry is on The Bends!
I think he means the "My Iron Lung" EP, which definitely contains a very nice acoustic Creep; or, indeed, he means one of the "High & Dry" singles, which might well have contained the same track (I can't remember right now, though). Not the original, although it's probably better.
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Only really got round to checking out more of their stuff last year after I became curious as to whether some of the hype about them was true. I can happily confirm that they do have some genius moments spread over all their albums. Some excellent musical ideas and innovations that pretty much blew me away upon a first listen (even though I joined the party a bit late).


For a complete album experience, I would say that things dont get much better than either OK Computer or The Bends. Just make sure you dont miss out on any of the gems on the other albums.
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I think he means the "My Iron Lung" EP, which definitely contains a very nice acoustic Creep; or, indeed, he means one of the "High & Dry" singles, which might well have contained the same track (I can't remember right now, though). Not the original, although it's probably better.
Well possibly. Except High & Dry never had anything of the sort as the b-sides. It has 2 different Planet Telex mixes, Maquilladora and one of the two electric versions of Killer Cars...

Maybe he meant Thinking About You instead of High & Dry?
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Maybe he meant Thinking About You instead of High & Dry?
Well, indeed. Unfortunately, I don't have many Radiohead singles, and I couldn't be bothered looking it up on the Net, so it was just deduction. Not entirely successful, but then these things almost never are.

I do like that acoustic Creep, though.
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Well, indeed. Unfortunately, I don't have many Radiohead singles, and I couldn't be bothered looking it up on the Net, so it was just deduction. Not entirely successful, but then these things almost never are.
I was a teenagetwenty-something ( ) Radiohead geek!

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I do like that acoustic Creep, though.
Yeah it's very good, if impossible to play on an acoustic without hand cramp setting in!! Shame there's only that one version. I've never heard another...
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Unfortunately I had a bootleg of the acoustic 'original' (with extra verse) version of Motion Picture Soundtrack around the time of OK Computer, so I can never like the Kid A version.
I remember getting hold of that when it first appeared, absolutely fantastic version, when I saw them on the OK Computer tour Thom came on and did that solo with an acoustic for the encore, one of my favourite ever gig moments that
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don't just listen to the mainstream tracks by the way.
there are loads of superb unreleased live songs out there too.

big ideas,
follow me around,
big boots (man-o-war),
the thief,
reckoner,
lift,

www.ateaseweb.com is great place to start looking
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Just been listening to Pablo Honey. It's amazing!

But there seems to be some scratching noise on Track 12 - Burnout. Can't make out if it's my speakers or what, was on the .wma file I copied from the CD. Is Burnout supposed to sound a bit scratchy/crackly in places?
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Just been listening to Pablo Honey. It's amazing!

But there seems to be some scratching noise on Track 12 - Burnout. Can't make out if it's my speakers or what, was on the .wma file I copied from the CD. Is Burnout supposed to sound a bit scratchy/crackly in places?
Hmm. I can't really remember. That album's on the patchy side production-wise. Listen to the Bends and worry about scratchy noises later!!
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Just been listening to Pablo Honey. It's amazing!

But there seems to be some scratching noise on Track 12 - Burnout. Can't make out if it's my speakers or what, was on the .wma file I copied from the CD. Is Burnout supposed to sound a bit scratchy/crackly in places?
Blowout It sounds fine here. Did you buy vinyl Matt?
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OK the Bends is AMAZING too Was listening to it while playing Worms

Think maybe I was stressing the comp when ripping it Pablo. Will mess about with it later.

On OK Computer now.... just fabulous.
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To be honst I'm not sure.

I bought all mine before the internet was a viable option for shopping, using HMV and/or Virgin.

Itch comes in two forms: The expensive (~£27) Japanese version and the cheaper (~£15) New Zealand version, though this doesn't have the (Japanese) booklet which has a long discussion of the band circa Pablo Honey era. I have a translation of that booklet on my Hard Drive somewhere so was happy enough to have the cheap NZ version of Itch.

My Iron Lung should be available for about £9 in HMV in an Aussie import version, but equally you could buy Parts 1 and 2 of the single. The EP has Creep Acoustic but that's on Itch and others so it's really only the convenience of a single CD you get.

Airbag was a limited U.S. E.P. - after all, it's just a collection of b-sides from OK Computer that the UK market already had, but with a very cool little booklet. When first released they also put versions out on UK shelves at £6.99 and I bought one then (being the completist that I was ).

I would think you should be able to get imports of all three. Check out the Aussie, Japanese and U.S. branches of Amazon maybe if you're not seeing them on the sites here. I'm sure one of the music sponsors on the drop down above must have them. :confused:

Failing that, big HMVs and Virgins will probably have them in with the albums or singles...
Right, im confused with this.

basically i want all the B sides before HTTT to replace my bootleg collection.

but im not bothered with limited edition fancy booklets.

which EPs / singles are not available in the UK but include B sides that i require ?

for example, the Itch EP can only be got from NZ or Japan, can the B sides on there be found on the other singles / EP CDs?

basically looking for cheapest option.
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You occasionally see a copy of an import single of Creep (I think) from the Pablo Honey era with PH b-sides on but essentially your choices are as follows:

Pablo Honey
Itch (either Japanese or NZ version)
Thinking About You (Drill EP fast version)
Faithless The Wonder Boy
Banana Co.
Killer Cars / Vegetable / You (all live from the Creep EP)
Creep (Acoustic) (also from Creep EP)

Pablo Honey (Japanese/Extra Tracks version)
Pop Is Dead
Inside My Head
Million Dollar Question

Anyone Can Play Guitar Australian Tour EP
Pop Is Dead
Creep (Acoustic)
Killer Cars (live)
Nothing on here that the other two don't have, basically. Not worth buying particularly

The Bends
My Iron Lung EP (Single disc 8-track version, or two 4-track CD singles)
The Trickster
Lewis (Mistreated)
Punchdrunk Lovesick Singalong
Permanent Daylight
Lozenge Of Love
You Never Wash Up After Yourself
Creep (Acoustic) - Single disc version only

High & Dry / Planet Telex (CD 1 & 2)
Planet Telex Hexidecimal Mix
Maquiladora
Killer Cars (electric)
Second Planet Telex mix I think - not very good.

Just (CD1)
There are some good live bits on CD2 but you're after b-sides...
Killer Cars (mogadon)
Planet Telex (UNKLE mix)

Fake Plastic Trees (CD1)
How Can You Be Sure
India Rubber

Street Spirit (CD1 & CD2)
Banana Co. (electric version)
Bishops Robes
Talk Show Host
Molasses

Gah.. I have to go. Airbag EP covers you for all but two b-sides from the OKC era.

Lull you can get on one of the Karma Police singles
How I Made My Millions is on one of the No Surprises singles and both are nice tracks.

There's also a Japanese EP which has some Street Spirit and some Paranoid Android b-sides on, including a slightly odd version of one of the PA b-sides which cuts off after the point that we get a fade out...

Sorry, gotta go!
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ok thanks, so bascially the only one i gotta worry about is Itch, any idea where to get it ?
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Second one down is possibly the best bet?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...905079-8044408

But personally I'd go through a big HMV and Virgin first just to be sure... They should be with the albums...
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picked up the Jap Itch today for £15.99, burnt a hole in my pocket.

just readign the above, i can only get Pop Is Dead,Inside My Head and Million Dollar Question if i buy the Jap Pablo Honey ?

ive seen an uncompressed download of that album, i might have to make an exception and download it and shove it into my UK Pablo Honey case.

The Thinking About You alt version is great
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£15.99 is a good price for the Japanese version. Like I say, it was about £26.99 back when OKC had been out a few months.

Here is the translation of the Japanese text in the booklet that I picked up off the RH newsgroup some years back (I didn't realise I still had it!!):

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ok, its *very* long. sounds like a discussion/interview, but not with any of
the band members, but someone close to the band. i think its funny the way the
2 ppl insult each other in these japanese magazines ("fool!" "you are so narrow
minded!" "you hurt him!" "shut up!")
anyway here it is:


Songs on ITCH
1 Stop Whispering (US version)
2 Thinking About you
3 Faithless the Wonder Boy
4 Banana Co. (live)
5 Killer Cars (live)
6 Vegetable (live)
7 You (live)
8 Creep (acoustic)

-Oh yeah, finally Radiohead's Japan tour has been decided. Since the release of
the debut album 'Pablo Honey' in England in 1993, it's been a long wait.
-For those fans in Japan, it feels like their success in America was beyond
expection.
-Yes, Yes. To celebrate their first gig in Japan, this album, 'ITCH' is
released. By the way, the title 'ITCH' is expressing fans' expectation and
anticipation as well.
-Then, let's hear about the choices of the songs on 'ITCH.'
-Well, first I have to make an excuse for this. 'ITCH''s release is partly
because we couldn't release the new single which is supposed to be release in
May in England just in time.
-If that's true, it would be nice to release all the songs in their first ep,
'Drill.' But I suppose it was impossible because 'ITCH' is a mini-album for
celebrating the Japan tour. So, 'ITCH' has to contain some live songs, too.
-You know, I'm regretting it now. But it is also fun to imagine what kind of
new songs Thom's gonna write.
-For the new album, John Leckie from Stone Roses is the producer, right?
Anyway, the first song off 'ITCH' is 'Stop Whispering,' which is also on 'Pablo
Honey.' It is an American release version.
-Chris Sheldon did the remix. But it kinda sounds too clear and neat. In fact,
'Stop Whispering' was a commercial failure compared to 'Creep' in the U.S.
-But I think this song is really epochal. It hints that in a situation that one
can't find a proper word, everything is helpless. However, I feel like they are
singing again for "there is nothing to sing for," like Thame's Ballet(?).
-You're right. I think it is really epochal to sing something like "I can't
find a word." It is a very simple concept though. 'Stop Whispering' is not
about autism, but about not being able to understand those conditions.
-Yeah, Radiohead never says " but I can't help it" in any kind of gloomy
situation.
-Well, in Suede's case, they get to speak out when they can't stand it any
more. However, for me, it's somehow hard to understand.
-Yeah, first admitting that "I have nothing to say," Radiohead starts to scream
desperately.
-That's very realistic. You know, from those points, I do think Thom has a
strange personality.
-When we did an interview in a studio in LA, he turned off a radio and started
to listen to a classical music tape he brought with. Then he read a book in the
corner of the studio.
-When I said we wanted to do a story of them for 2 months straight, he seemed
pleased for a second. But eventually he felt pressured, I guess.
-My god, you hurt him!
-Well, shut up! But the rest of the members were really friendly. Especially
Jonny was like a small kid. He kept playing around during the shooting.
-I heard you yelled at him something like, "Jonny! We don't have time!"
-I'm regretting it, too. By the way, the second song, 'Thinking about You' is
from 'Drill.' Since 'Drill' itself was kind of full of demo songs, arragements
on 'Drill' feel unfinished. I would like a live version of it better.
-According to Colin, Radiohead write a song together after Thom writes basic
melodies with an acoustic guitar. So 'Faithless the Wonder Boy' which
originally featured on 'Anyone can play guitar' sounds green, too.
-But I really love this song.
-I understand. I feel the same too. 'Faithless the Wonder Boy,' Banana Co.'
and 'Killer Cars,' aren't they kinda too ordninary even if we consider they are
all originally featured as B-sides?
-Oh, I don't know. But I do think that is the essential quality of Radiohead.
The melancholiness in 'Creep,' 'Banana Co.' and 'Killer Cars,' by Thom's
frequent use of IV m chord is the true sound of Radiohead.
-That chord was a favorite for the 50's rock ballad.
-Yeah, that chord's sound makes one feel like floating.
-So is it like they are free despite of all the unsolved, unfinished issues?
-I think so. That chord is representing Radiohead's feelings. It's like one
makes people worry by pretending nothing is wrong. But why poeople worry is
because they definately know something is already wrong.
-But how tragic 'Faithless the Wonder Boy' is! "I have no possession and
there is nothing I can do about it, either. I'm all alone and just continue to
live meaninglessly!" I can't get 'Banana Co.' very well. But I suppose it is
also about rejection and not needed at all by the one you need. "It doesn't
matter if you live or die. I don't care."
-Hmmm, I feel it concerns a historical event as well. I assume this song is
read to consider not only a human relationship but about some kind of social
issue.
-I understand. I heard Thom was reading only Chomsky's books during the last
American tour. Maybe there is some connection.
-It's like Thom has a complex toward literature. I think he is really into it.
He admires the poet e.e. Cummings so much. So he even puts a small 'e' for his
middle name. When he was asked who his hero was in a NME's special issue, he
picked Chomsky while all others named musicians.
-Yeah. Even though he is saying he wants to be in a band forever, he seems not
so comfortable with the life in the world of music business.
-Maybe that's why he is singing "Pop is dead!" on purpose. But unlike this,
doesn't he really like commercial art like advertisement?
-Guiness Beer's ads, he really loved. He even said that was wonderful art.
-I think he is confused. Blur's Damon Albarn strongly argues that rock exists
around the pop culture' s edge. However, in Radiohead's case, they don't have a
strong point about it. But you know, somehow, I can understand it.
-So from that point of view, Radiohead has too many weaknesses in ways. That's
why they are criticized by everyone.
-But it is their nonresistance which buys credibility and faithfulness. Like
Damon said, they are one of the few to have a strong base.
-But isn't it a scheme to mix Thom's 'strongly negative ego?'
-I think that' s a big part of it. But it can be overlooked only because he is
a really talented song writer. For the songwriting in the 90s', 'America's
Kurt Cobain and Britain's Thom .e. Yorke' is everything. I do think so.
-By the way, 4 songs in the album are from a 12" version of the English 'Creep'
release.
-Track 5,6,7 are live from Chicago and the finale song 'Creep' is when they did
an acoustic session at KROQ. Nowdays, this station's acoustic sessions are
increasing. I liked Porno for Pyros and Beck as well. And if you listen to the
album like this, you can see the themes from the each song.
-It is a resistance against those so-called 'do your duties as a member of the
society!'
-If I were to follow those rules, I would die in front of the public!
-Fool! But somehow what Radiohead stands for is close to that attitude.
-So to say, Radiohead is like becoming a loser instead of an audience?
-Do you really believe so?
-Yeah, in fact, I even feel like we can live on because of their existance.
-You are weird! But Radiohead is different from those who are forced into
bravery.
-In 'Million Dollar Question,' the extra track on the Japanese release 'Pablo
Honey,' they sing that having a car accident, or not to go to work or not being
late.
-Man, you're so simple-minded! That song is about an individual's desperate
existance as a member of society!
-I know! 'Killer Cars" is not simply about a coward, either.
-Thus, the deep side of Radiohead's songs are all messages against society.
-Expressed in American Dream, so-called WASP society is pressuring people.
That's what they are talking about.
-Yes, yes. They are speaking at the side of 'losers.'
-But I thought rebel songs are trying to make a public enemy of organizations
such as family, school , goverment etc to unite those who listen to the music.
-I think that's correct. But isn't it wrong if they just concentrate on what
they want without admitting their weaknesses?
- So because Radiohead understands those points, they don't attack directly or
play aggressive. They want to sing from the side the weakness and frustration
for themselves.
-It's like to express an anti-rape message, Kurt Cobain made 'Rape Me.'
-Thus, Radiohead never want to save themselves or love somebody for curing
themselves! I do want to emphasize this point!
-Is it that they want to make sure their own existance and value on their own,
not by somebody else? The new rule of the game, that they sing about?
-Perhaps. Even if one might not have any reason or goal for living, isn't it
disgusting to end a life meaninglessly or be used by others?
-I think Radiohead's songs are a report in the middle of a struggle to be a
'debtless human.'
-A 'debtless human.' This is the 'special' one in 'Creep.'
- For the final comment, do you have anything to say for the acoustic version
of 'Creep?'
-How about it....? I think it's okay to cry in bed listening to this song. But
for warning, you gotta remember Radiohead never say 'you can stay here
forever.'
-So after this 3 minite-sancutary, we have to move on and become our own
'special people.'
-Yeah, but I still think we can cry anytime, a little bit.

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TheoGB I know you cut and pasted that quote but you should check prior to posting that they're T&C friendly.
Cheers mate. Sorry about that. Too late at night.

EDIT: Even more stupidly I just re-read and realised it was a mispelling of 'shut' in the original document I cut and pasted! :rolleyes: I wouldn't mind but it wasn't even my typo!! I've edited back to say 'shut' Bish, hope you don't mind.

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just been listening to HTTT, only listened to it a few times since purchase ot be honest.

what a piece of junk

maybe it needs more listens, since Kid A took a while to get into.

only tracks i could i say i like is There There and Where I End and You Begin.
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