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Old 30-12-2008, 18:48   #1
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Exclamation Screeners / Pirate copies

We've seen a number of users post recently commenting on films that have yet to be released and often clearly referencing screeners and pirates. As such I am posting one warning now and if there are ANY more allusions to illegitimate copies of films in this area the poster will receive an instant one week exclusion from this area of the site.

If you have seen a film through non-legitimate means - especially one that has not been publically shown (including press screenings etc) then please just refrain from posting about it.

This rule is not open to for discussion.

If any studio decides they want to make an example of a site for this sort of discussion, it wouldn't take much effort on their part no matter how baseless their accusations are. We've already had threats of termination of our hosting based on issues relating to the Indiana Jones film earlier this year and that was entirely baseless - yet it seems hosts are more than happy to pull the plug on legitimate sites with no evidence on the request of studio lawyers so please DON'T risk this happening here.
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Old 30-12-2008, 18:58   #2
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Quite right. So to be clear, is it a similar situation as for TV shows, once they have had a UK or US release they are fine to discuss?

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Old 30-12-2008, 19:01   #3
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I completely agree with this in regards to movies - but surely we can discuss the TV shows?
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Old 30-12-2008, 19:02   #4
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Just another question, is the same thing going to apply to games/music?
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Old 30-12-2008, 19:42   #5
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Is it OK for those who've genuinely seen the stuff (ie those who've been to press screenings and/or sent legitimate screeners)?
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Old 30-12-2008, 19:57   #6
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A very valid and sensitive point.

Concerning American TV shows, it is rather suspicious when people whose "location" is obviously the U.K. discuss a U.S. TV show/episode only a few hours after it has been shown exclusively over there. Makes one wonder if all those people have had a legitimate access to said transmission.

A very delicate area as said.

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Old 30-12-2008, 20:51   #7
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Quite right. So to be clear, is it a similar situation as for TV shows, once they have had a UK or US release they are fine to discuss?
Yes, pretty much exactly the same. As long as there has been a press screening in either country then I guess films are open to discussion. If films ARE obtained from a dodgy source then this must not be mentioned, alluded to or discussed in any way.
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Old 30-12-2008, 20:52   #8
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Just another question, is the same thing going to apply to games/music?
If it becomes and issue then yes.
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for too long there has been discussion on films, tv series etc, that has not been relased / shown in the uk or other illegal content. I feel the mods have a hard job trying to moderate this.
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Old 30-12-2008, 20:54   #10
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A very valid and sensitive point.

Concerning American TV shows, it is rather suspicious when people whose "location" is obviously the U.K. discuss a U.S. TV show/episode only a few hours after it has been shown exclusively over there. Makes one wonder if all those people have had a legitimate access to said transmission.

A very delicate area as said.
There's no way we can police this - it's possible, if unlikely, that people may be UK citizens but might catch an episode on holiday or whatever. As we can't stop discussion in these circumstances our policy is that we're as trusting as possible that people have watched something by legitimate means - if they haven't then it must NOT be mentioned here. If they mention it then they're breaking the T&Cs. If a TV show, movie, game or album has been legitimately released, broadcast or is available in some way from the UK, US or any other major European country or Australia then we'll allow discussion. If it hasn't been legitimately released in some way then it's out of bounds to discuss specific viewings.

We know what to look for - if someone says that something is 'available from the usual places' then this is against the rules.

What we don't want to do is stiffle legitimate discussion so pre-release chat is acceptable for everything, but if you've seen / played / listened to something that hasn't officially sanctioned in some way then just don't say so here.
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Old 30-12-2008, 21:07   #11
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Totally agree about the films. Most of the time it's fairly clear cut. I remember the Mist thread here was massive, yet the film hadn't come out in the UK yet and wasn't available on DVD in the US for several months.
TV is interesting though. Putting the torrents and P2P aside.... I don't know if anyone listens to No Agenda podcast with John Dovark and Adam Curry... but they've setup a sling box on their respective TV's (Adam lives in the UK and John in the US), then they swap sling box ID's to stream each other's live TV. Apparently it's quite common for international people's to do this... sling box doesn't get legal troubles for it's re-streaming technology.
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Old 30-12-2008, 22:12   #12
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Personally, I think you may have made a rod here. Everyone is going to be pointing fingers/reporting and anyone lucky enough to have seen previews is going to be put off posting early opinions/reviews. May not be a good thing for the site but I understand the legal aspect of it.

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Old 30-12-2008, 22:39   #13
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Well to save any confusion we can just put a blanket ban on it all if it comes to it. Whilst you are going to have legitimate previews that people are privy to, I dare say the majority of people posting aren't. It's those people that are causing the problem, not our decision to protect the forums from fending off aggrieved film studios because some members can't help themselves.

We'll now get the "what if I got the music download early off a cornflake packet promotion" and other equally silly posts as well as the usual drama that often follows on after what we see as a very clear cut instruction.

All we are asking for is the members to show a bit of common sense.
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Old 30-12-2008, 22:54   #14
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To be honest I think for those of use who attend festivals like Frightfest where you can see films months in advance... people like Mr Fink and Myself usually post about the event and then in the film post we put where we've seen it...

ala Inside... oh what a film *saunters off to watch it, all alone*
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It's pretty easy to tell from reading a post whether someone saw something legitimately - so if the poster themselves can't tell they might consider buying something to increase their IQ!
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Old 30-12-2008, 23:03   #16
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I remember the Mist thread here was massive, yet the film hadn't come out in the UK yet and wasn't available on DVD in the US for several months.
That's becasue I started it back in 2005
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Old 31-12-2008, 00:08   #17
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...if you've seen / played / listened to something that hasn't officially sanctioned in some way then just don't say so here.
I think that's about as simple and direct as you could put it and I completely agree with this. If you have seen something from a norty source, then don't bloody mention it and then nobody's in a position of getting in trouble.

I remember the dubious fiasco with the Indy thread and can certainly see what fragile ground we're treading here. Think I speak for many here when I say that I'd absolutely hate to see the forums get in trouble over simple lack of common sense.
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Old 31-12-2008, 00:33   #18
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I think that's about as simple and direct as you could put it and I completely agree with this. If you have seen something from a norty source, then don't bloody mention it and then nobody's in a position of getting in trouble.

I remember the dubious fiasco with the Indy thread and can certainly see what fragile ground we're treading here. Think I speak for many here when I say that I'd absolutely hate to see the forums get in trouble over simple lack of common sense.
Unfortunately not everyone can grasp this and feel they are having their human rights infringed upon and will stick it to "The Man". We've seen it time and time again.

OK, it's a small minority of members who cause the problems (although a vocal majority) but enough to upset the equilibrium so we end up having to tighten the rules when people don't/won't/can't play fairly.
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Old 31-12-2008, 07:01   #19
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I think the TV forum is an example of how the rules can work well, despite it obviously being the most 'piracy-laden' forum here.

It is obvious that people are not jetting over to the US to watch episodes of 24, but everyone respects that threads aren't started until a show is broadcast....somewhere.

The music forum wouldn't be as easy to moderate this way, as legitimate promos are circulated, sometimes months before an album is released, as I'm sure Johnny Vinegar-Strokes can confirm. Hell I've even bought a few in my time. Proper record shops still sell them, though they aren't supposed to.

The film forum should be easier to control though as press-screenings/previews aside, screeners rarely, legitimately, end up in the hands of the general public.
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Old 31-12-2008, 10:00   #20
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Totally agree with it, but would be interested to know if Colin has taken any legal advice to prevent the Indiana Jones thing happening again, finding a host with some spine would be a good start... is there such a thing?
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