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Old 08-12-2006, 16:11   #1
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Unhappy HD-DVD Superman Returns - poor?

Thought I'd take this out of the 360 Add on thread.

Anyway - had really high hopes for this one as it is a new film (filmed in hi res?) and from Warner Bros (they of Batman Begins). When I booted it up, the opening of the film seemed to lack the fine detail I'd seen in my other 2 HD-DVDs (MI:3 and KK). The opening credits planetary tour, Lex Luthor's face, Martha Kent's face, the Metropolis pan - all seemed to be barely better than normal DVD. Anyway, I put this down to the darkness of the first 15 mins of the film and sure things would improve once we get daylight. Got to the shuttle resuce scene and things got a bit better but not to the levels of my other films. All the cast seemed to have foundation on their faces which hid a lot of detail (contrast Clark to Ethan Hunt and you'll see what I mean).

Oh, and I really don't see the point of dual format discs. Wonder if the UK version is any better?



EDIT: watched on a 40 inch Samsung LCD at 1080i via component.


Oh, and saw a clip of The Matrix from Warner. Hope that turns out better.

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Old 08-12-2006, 20:27   #2
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Reviews on this are very mixed. Quite a lot of people complaining it's a poor job, lacks solid blacks, looks a bit washed out etc, and then other people saying it's their new reference disk.

Very confusing!

If you hate combo discs why didn't you buy the UK version which is as bare bones as it's possible to get but at least there's a picture on the disc so that you know what it is.
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It's still far far better than the SD dvd. But then I'm watching on a 108" screen via a 720p PJ.

The film itself looked pretty much like this in the cinema, it's just the look and feel that Singer was going for. So as a close as possible representation of the actual film itself it's pretty much spot on in my opinion.

It's not a disc that you would use to show off to your friends, well apart form the audio, that's pretty awesome. But it IS how it's supposed to look, Singer went for a dark, muted look that's pusposely grainy and soft. At least that's what I hear and remember from seeing it on the big screen.

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dissapointed now, I wasn't really impressed with the movie but bought the HD-DVD expecting a great demo disc.
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But it IS how it's supposed to look, Singer went for a dark, muted look that's pusposely grainy and soft. At least that's what I hear and remember from seeing it on the big screen.
The R1 didnt look like that??
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Old 08-12-2006, 22:40   #6
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The R1 didnt look like that??

The R1 definitely has what looks like intentional grain. Perhaps you have noise reduction on your display switched on?
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Thought I'd take this out of the 360 Add on thread.

Anyway - had really high hopes for this one as it is a new film (filmed in hi res?) and from Warner Bros (they of Batman Begins). When I booted it up, the opening of the film seemed to lack the fine detail I'd seen in my other 2 HD-DVDs (MI:3 and KK). The opening credits planetary tour, Lex Luthor's face, Martha Kent's face, the Metropolis pan - all seemed to be barely better than normal DVD. Anyway, I put this down to the darkness of the first 15 mins of the film and sure things would improve once we get daylight. Got to the shuttle resuce scene and things got a bit better but not to the levels of my other films. All the cast seemed to have foundation on their faces which hid a lot of detail (contrast Clark to Ethan Hunt and you'll see what I mean).

Oh, and I really don't see the point of dual format discs. Wonder if the UK version is any better?



EDIT: watched on a 40 inch Samsung LCD at 1080i via component.


Oh, and saw a clip of The Matrix from Warner. Hope that turns out better.
I'll take it off your hands mate if you want. Got Ł17 paypal waiting here if you want, or could also trade ya another hd-dvd if you want?

PS Have this as a wanyed in the HD-DVD classifieds, but no one seems to visit there
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I'm a little underwhelmed with the transfer too but I'm watching it over the Componant cable so the picture ain't gonna be its best anyway....

It's strange cause it seems to change from scene to scene
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PS Have this as a wanted in the HD-DVD classifieds, but no one seems to visit there
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Saw your thread mate but I think I'll keep it as the kids like the film.
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I'm a little underwhelmed with the transfer too but I'm watching it over the Componant cable so the picture ain't gonna be its best anyway....

It's strange cause it seems to change from scene to scene
Component cable is far better than HDMI or DVI on my display - fret not mr Duck
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The good news is the HD-DVD version looks slightly better than the blu-ray. I did a direct comparison of all 3 versions (SD, HD, Blu-ray) and by far the best of the 3 is the HD.

Unfortunately my digital camera sucks so I can't take decent enough pictures, but I was surprised at the lack of detail on the blu-ray version. For example the long shot of Metropolis looked washed out and less detailed, and in the stadium, where the HD version you could see individual blades of grass it looked blurred on the blu-ray.

Still the HD version doesn't have the best visual out there... Go for King Kong as your reference copy.

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The good news is the HD-DVD version is much better than the blu-ray. I did a direct comparison of all 3 versions (SD, HD, Blu-ray) and by far the best of the 3 is Superman Returns.
I'm sorry to disagree, but thats impossible. The Blu-ray and HD-DVD use the same encode for the video. Any differences are down the the players or set up!

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html
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I would think it's impossible too, but that's what I saw. The blurred grass and less detailed shot of Metropolis were also confirmed by someone else on a different setup.

I have the settings set the exact same on the TV (50" LCoS) w/ the only difference being that I had the PS3 hooked up via HDMI (1080p) and the HD-DVD player (XBOX 360) connected via component.

I personally didn't think it's be possible, but that's what I saw. And apparently they noticed the same background issues I did.

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Aside from some softness to the image -- primarily on backgrounds and some CGI effects containing lots of motion blur

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So what extras are on the UK HDDVD Superman Returns disc?
Aren't they the same as the US HDDVD?

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Isn't the UK disc barebone?
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Hopefully 4400 can post some grabs.
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I personally didn't think it's be possible, but that's what I saw. And apparently they noticed the same background issues I did.
They also said the same for the HD-DVD. Perhaps the PS3 had difficulty with that area. Technically the PS3 should be better as its HDMI, but it could be that the extra detail shows up some of the defects more?

Either way, its agreed on every pro site tha the two versions are identical for picture.
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They also said the same for the HD-DVD. Perhaps the PS3 had difficulty with that area. Technically the PS3 should be better as its HDMI, but it could be that the extra detail shows up some of the defects more?

Either way, its agreed on every pro site tha the two versions are identical for picture.
I just read that on the HD-DVD review as well. However, you may be right that the PS3 may have an issue displaying certain aspects. I will re-evaluate them again once I get the new Toshiba HD player and can compare them both on HDMI.

BTW - I run a DVD review site.


I should also mention I'm not pulling for one or the other, because they do both look substantially better than standard def.

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Is he a mate of yours Ed?


Anyway, I just ran a comparison of the HD vs SD picture. Apologies for for the crap screenies as I don't know how to take shots with my camera yet :


Standard Definition (upscaled to 1080i)


High Definition (720p)


Was amazed at how crap DVD looked now. Even the Missus was amazed.

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That's pretty good. And that's only 720p.

The site I look at for DVD pictures comparisons is DVD beaver, and they haven't gone hidef yet.
Is there anywhere for HDDVD/BluRay/DVD comparisons?
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