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Old 12-07-2019, 12:41   #141
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Bond. Jane Bond.
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Old 12-07-2019, 14:30   #142
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I've always assumed each new James Bond actor is a new character who assumes the name as a part of the 007 identity. So anyone could be cast as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 12-07-2019, 14:49   #143
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I've always assumed each new James Bond actor is a new character who assumes the name as a part of the 007 identity. So anyone could be cast as far as I'm concerned.
That's a nice way to explain the changes in actor, but it's not true.

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It does move with the times though doesn't it? When was the last time we saw a cold war film? It's now all about weird conspiracies, mad press barons, weird terrorist cells, N Korea and so forth. Saying it cannot be a woman or whatever because they'd stand out in 1960's Russia. It constantly moves with the times
Only got as far as the Brosnan movies then
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Old 12-07-2019, 15:58   #145
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The new ****** terminator film is the new thing for people to scream "misogynist!!!111111" into their neckbeards. Lots of people thought the trailer looked like dumpster fire but the director tim miller is already playing the misogynist card. Nothing to do with it it looks terrible and makes gensys look like Terminator 1. I fully expect some on here saying their loved and deserves an oscar.

Then there is the Ocean's 8 **** fest. Its a simple way of deflecting any negative comments from a badly made POS. The WW film didn't get all the crap Captain marvel got and also gal gadot was great in the interviews and charming unlike a certain other actress


There is some good articles and YT videos on why changing the gender and race of a colour is pandering and patronising at times. Making a new character is the best way like Miles Morales, he is not a black peter parker, he is a well made character and does not replace PP. I don't expect a argued reply when you get trash comments calling people racist on here.

Actually a Ms Marvel would be great if it was fun and interesting and no poorly written agenda shoved in (despite what some **** posting edgelord wannabe says If Ms Marvel was a fun space film like GoG with some raganorok style visuals and no crap about the PaTricharty!!!!" then it would get some great reviews imo
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Old 12-07-2019, 16:53   #146
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The WW film didn't get all the crap Captain marvel got and also gal gadot was great in the interviews and charming unlike a certain other actress
And apart from her brief stint in BVS you could really say it was her first movie outing; origin and all. Yet it did not feel like a phase 1 movie like Captain Marvel did.

The director's filmography is not that large 13 credits as a director 4 of them are movies including wonder Woman 1 and 2; only two movies under her belt when WW came out.

Directors of Captain Marvel - it took two of them have more credits between them and had less to prove than WW who less face it was going to have a hard time due to the poorly received MOS and BVS etc etc. Captain Marvel had plenty of hype train to ride on.

WW had little to no agenda - if it was there it was subtle as it should be; CM tried to force it down your throat. CM had no excuses not to be great, they had a well oiled machine behind them and plenty of fans waiting to lap it up instead we got what we got and it was not good but hey its not our fault blame the fans.

If T6 or whatever is starting out bashing the fans before its released - you know they have a complete dog's breakfast of a movie on their hands; and are trying to lower expectations which after T5 could not really get much lower. James Cameron's seal of approval means nothing these days.
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Old 12-07-2019, 17:45   #147
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That's in the past though. It was wrong and it's been stopped. So why is the opposite OK? Either any colour/sex/race can play any character or they can't, full stop.
In the past? It was just a few months back!

I would agree with your 2nd point if we were talking about an industry with a level playing field, but we aren't. If you are a person of colour then the number of roles available to you is obviously so significantly less than a white performer, that you just can't compare the two.
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Directors of Captain Marvel - it took two of them have more credits between them and had less to prove than WW who less face it was going to have a hard time due to the poorly received MOS and BVS etc etc. Captain Marvel had plenty of hype train to ride on.
I'd say the opposite were true. WW had nothing to live up to, and could barely be worse than the other DC films.
Captain Marvel was sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame.

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Old 12-07-2019, 18:22   #149
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I'd say the opposite were true. WW had nothing to live up to, and could barely be worse than the other DC films.
Captain Marvel was sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame.

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If WW failed then the DC universe would be dead; if CM failed so what; as you pointed out Endgame was after it and no way people were not going to see that.
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If WW failed then the DC universe would be dead; if CM failed so what; as you pointed out Endgame was after it and no way people were not going to see that.
WW had nothing to live up to, CM had lofty cousins, but you're right, CM wasn't going to stop the Marvel juggernaut, hit or miss

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Imagine a synder WW film or shazaam film

The Wonder woman film really saved the DC films as it showed people didn't want synder's crap fest. It had a lot to prove (shame about the end fight in the film but its not much different to most MCU film tbh)
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Old 12-07-2019, 18:40   #152
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Wonder Woman was still hot garbage compared to Captain Marvel


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Nah. Wonder Woman was better than Captain Marvel.
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Nah. Wonder Woman was better than Captain Marvel.
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Wonder Woman was just as bad as all of the other DC films. Anything that was good about it was just thrown away in the 3rd act with the terrible CG battle with a terrible antagonist.
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I didn't mind the themes of female empowerment and whatever other feminist or "woke" themes that cropped up or people criticised in Captain Marvel given that the character is an ex fighter pilot who is later assimilated into a somewhat secretive alien culture and so you have that patriarchal back story/allegory in place to explore. Wonder Woman is different and less in-your-face because the character grew up isolated from the world of man. I feel the backstory and setting need to justify the themes and in Captain Marvel they did that.

On the other hand you have something like Dark Phoenix where all these themes are just plucked out of thin air X number of films down the line and therefore prominent male characters have to be completely twisted and retconned just so they can deliver a groanworthy social message... yeah that's the kind of crap that really should invite widespread criticism because it's just soooooo, so cynical.

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