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Old 18-11-2009, 17:50   #41
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They're meant to be cooler than hard drives. They don't even have temperature monitoring for that precise reason so I couldn't actually say how warm they get! Consider that while it is ram, it is a hell of a lot slower than system ram so isn't gonna generate anything like the heat of ram and no moving parts to generate heat like traditional drives.

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Old 19-11-2009, 01:04   #42
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Hi target,

Thanks again for all your useful help.

What I was planning to do was have the SSD as my boot drive, and then have two "normal" hard drives in RAID 1 so that they are mirroring each other. Not knowing much about how RAID works, etc, would TRIM work with this set up, or does any RAID on the PC mean that TRIM wouldn't work?

If this is possible, then I think I'll be going for the G2 Intel X25-M 80GB, once they've got their TRIM firmware sorted out! If not, I guess I'll have to make another plan.

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Old 19-11-2009, 01:38   #43
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I think "slow" is a relative term when it comes to SSD's - I got a 16GB IDE Samsung one for a laptop nearly 2 years ago now and it's still pretty fast, but not even in the same league as current gen ones. It gets 5.9 in Win 7 experience index - which is the same as the full size 7200RPM SATA drive I got in a new PC!

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I've decided that I really need one of these SSDs in my life... but all the bargains noted on previous pages appear to have expired

Any decent offers going?
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Old 27-11-2009, 09:58   #45
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The price of the ram used in them has sky rocketed due to supply/demand issues and Apple buying tons for its phones and media players. My drive increased by 50% in a couple of months after I bought it and has stayed that price.

And sorry I missed your question JamesK. Trim would not work on any PC with a raid setup even if the SSD's themselves are not raided. Your BIOS will treat the drive as what they call a non member raid drive and still use the raid drivers to communicate with it. And the problem is the raid drivers do not support Trim at the moment. They expected them to support it this year but the end of this year is fast approaching and no sign yet! I would recommend an OCZ Vertex and flash it with the Garbage Collection firmware as it can then auto trim and defrag itself.

My old hard disk gets a Windows Experience Index of 5.9 and my SSD 7.2. In real terms it loads Windows and World of Warcraft about 7 times faster than the hard disk.

Anyway I actually came to post to this thread so handy it had been bumped. I just read on OCZ that they have an internal Trim firmware from Samsung but it's buggy as hell and won't be released yet - but it is coming.

Right now, the drive I would have to recommend to anyone would have to be the OCZ Vertex, making sure you flash it with the Garbage Collection firmware because as mentioned above - it can take care of itself. Whereas every drive following the ATA Trim spec to take care of itself seems to be running into problems. I must admit I don't know much of Intels problems though. I mostly follow the Indlinx drives (because I have one) and Samsung drives because they are covered by the same forum on OCZ.
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I've got a budget of around £200 and would be happy with a 128GB drive. Looks like the only thing affordable is the new Kingston drive with the JMicron controller. Specs look relatively modest and I'm not sure that is worth the upgrade. I'll be running Windows 7 on it. I notice that there are number of drives in the £200-£250 range on eBay. Any of them worth a look?
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Old 29-11-2009, 20:59   #47
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The Kingston Jmicron based drives use the notorious 1st generation JMicron 602 controller which suffers from stuttering where your Windows will frequently freeze momentarily. Get a drive with a second gen controller such as Indilinx, Samsung or Intel. Just google jmicron stutter if you want to see why you don't want one.

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apparently the kingston drive has a firmware workaround for the stuttering (but slows it down) if you read reviews of it mind you so it could be alright.

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For higher performance drives,the OCZ Agility 120 (which is an Indilinx based drive like the Vertex but with a bit slower ram) and the Corsair P128 can both be had for £260-ish from google shopping

If it were me I'd just wait. I think it's the wrong time to buy them. No exaggeration, all these drives are up in price by 30% to 40% since 4 months ago because of the currently high ram prices

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Old 20-12-2009, 21:16   #48
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Does anyone know if I would be able to use this:

http://techgage.com/article/intels_3...e_ssd_toolbox/

On a RAID based system if I went with the Intel (and it becomes available again!) to do the equivalent of Windows 7 TRIM?

Seems a simple solution to my potential issue!

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Old 20-12-2009, 22:14   #49
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No. trim does not work on systems with raid drivers installed. The problem is unrelated to your choice of drive and whatever supporting software that make of drive has and is purely down to the raid controller drivers (and possibly raid controller firmware)
You'd need a garbage collection supporting drive such as the OCZ vertex and shortly Crucial's M225 in a raid system.
If you're on about having the SSD itself not raided but in a system containing a raid array (edit: which I see form a previous post you are) then it may be possible if you install the SSD on a separate make of controller that will not utilise the same drivers as your raid array.

Also, follow on to my previous posts, Indilinx have a new firmware out in testing with the drive manufacturers that fixes the trim performance issues. Crucial are also releasing a garbage collection version at the same time (just after Christmas).

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Cheers,

I actually also asked this question over at AV Forums and they pointed me to the Intel forums. Reading there, (and then asking!) it actually appears it is possible to use TRIM from the Intel Toolbox on a SSD when it is installed alongside RAID drives. So I'm very close to actually going ahead and buying my new SSD
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You know what? I'm being dumb. Most of what I wrote was based on the assumption you wanted to raid 2 SSD's and I later realised that's not what you were doing but forgot that changed the situation somewhat.

I'm actually in a similar situation to you - I don't have a raid array but my drive is installed in (non member) raid mode so my automatic trim doesn't work. But the manual trim (wiper in Indilinxes case) does. It's just slow as hell - it takes 8 hours to trim the drive in raid mode against 2 minutes if I stick the computer out of raid mode and run it from a BartPE disc (dropping raid mode breaks Windows). But yes, any manufacturer that provides a manual wipe facility will allow you to sort out your drive on a raid system as long as it is not part of the raid itself.
There's also a free space cleaner you can get here: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=64659 that fills the free space of your drive up with a file containing logical 1's which should be the reset state for the nand memory but running that on my drive totally trashed my performance. Most people seem to have success with it though.

I would still honestly go for a drive that supports garbage collection though - manually looking after your drive sucks. OCZ are releasing a firmware that has both trim and garbage collection in it at the same time. That should be nice!

And all these drives are still stupidly expensive. Google 'apple nand' to see why.

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Old 02-01-2010, 18:41   #52
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Target, you seem pretty switched on to current developments regarding SSD. Anything new happening that will in your opinion make SSD an even more compelling choice? I'd be using one as a boot drive, all apps on a conventional HDD.
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Old 05-01-2010, 16:39   #53
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Finally got the SSD in my laptop and it's amazing. More battery, a ton less heat, and even apps like Photoshop CS3 launch in just a few seconds. I've upgraded pretty much every element of my laptop, but this is by far the most revolutionary jump in performance.
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It's a stunning upgrade isn't it - even from everyone saying how good it is, you can't really appreciate it until you see it in action.

OK the latest updates.
Intel are alledgedly releasing trim capable raid drivers this month.
OCZ have an SSD based on the new sandforce controller out later this year. They're calling it the "Vertex 2 Pro" - the pro bit of the name makes it sound expensive to me! But that controller has built in on the fly hardware data compression! This makes it pretty damn fast (assuming it's dealing with compressible data) offering the best of both worlds - Intels fast random speeds and everyone else fast sequential speeds. It will also obviously leave you more space making the drive probably better value that it first appears.
The Corsair P series have a Trim firmware now.
Crucial are due to release a raid friendly garbage collection firmware any day now as well as a performance fixed trim firmware.

Probably the best value atm is the Intel X-25M G2's which is £170-£180 for 80gb though stock is lacking in most places. 3 in stock here at time of writing though: http://store.cbccomputers.com/produc...SDSA2MH080G2R5
The next best value is probably the Corsair P series at £140-£150 for 64gb though stock is low but a few places on google shopping have 1 in stock. The Crucial M225 64gb looks to be the cheapest performance drive that is well stocked at around £160.

If you don't need quite these levels of performance (for say a laptop or something) then I'd be tempted by that Kingston 40gb, if it gives you enough space - it's so cheap! Though I can't find anywhere selling it.

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Super Talent have just released the latest firmware for their Indilinx based Ultradrive (which doesn't seem to be available in the UK) - version 1916. It has built in garbage collection, trim and performance improvements and to quote them "you feel the difference instantly". So it looks like all us Indilinx users are getting what OCZ are calling v1.5 very soon - and it looks good!

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Next Thursday (14th) Aria are selling The Intel X25-V 40gb (which from the specs is what the Kingston is a rebrand of) for £58.74 to members of their forum. It's limited 1 each to the first 20 people and starts at 11am. Details here: http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=14054 Gonna be tricky to get one though - there have been 50 posts in the thread already since it was announced half a day ago.

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40gb should be enough to run Windows 7 on it shouldn't it? Ideally I'd like enough space for the OS + 1 favoured game.
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Sooo tempted to buy one, but want the most performance for the money - it's quite a moving target right now!
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