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Old 19-07-2006, 13:53   #481
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I'd love to buy another striker, but I don't things it's the end of all thing if we don't. I think a decent RW is key though. SWP would be a great signing in my opinion.
There is no way Chelsea are going to sell the "missing piece" to, arguably, their nearest rival.
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Old 19-07-2006, 14:20   #482
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I think you'll be surprised how effective this partnership could be. Whilst I'm aware it's not tried and tested I believe that these two could have a large degree of success playing together. That is barring injuries of course.

I'd love to buy another striker, but I don't things it's the end of all thing if we don't. I think a decent RW is key though. SWP would be a great signing in my opinion.
Dont get me wrong, I like them both and think they will do a good job together, just not a league winning partnership, I would still swap it for any of our nearest rivals main striker partnerships without hesitation. We need a striker who will get us 30 goals or more in all comps. More key than a RW in my opinion.
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Old 19-07-2006, 14:44   #483
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After reading Robbie's autobiography I'm not sure Robbie will be too keen on Anelka come to Anfield
What did he say then??
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Old 19-07-2006, 14:46   #484
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Dont get me wrong, I like them both and think they will do a good job together, just not a league winning partnership, I would still swap it for any of our nearest rivals main striker partnerships without hesitation. We need a striker who will get us 30 goals or more in all comps.
Based on last season, Chelsea and Man U could do with one of those as well as they certainly didn't have one last year
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Old 19-07-2006, 16:08   #485
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What did he say then??
Said he destroyed the dressing room. Wouldn't talk to people. Didn't become a team player. Would be selfish on the pitch. Wouldn't train etc. (this from their time at City). Robbie said Anelka brought it on himself.

That was a while ago so perhaps Anelka's changed since, but I find that difficult to believe.

'tis a shame as the boy undoubtedly has/had talent. Bit like Collymore really.
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anelka is a good player,we should have bought him back in 2002,however he's hardly prolific these days and he wouldn't guarantee us enough goals imo
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Dont get me wrong, I like them both and think they will do a good job together, just not a league winning partnership, I would still swap it for any of our nearest rivals main striker partnerships without hesitation. We need a striker who will get us 30 goals or more in all comps. More key than a RW in my opinion.
As I said I'd love a Striker to come as well, but even a 30 goal a season striker needs service. RVN wouldn't have the strike rate he has at ManU if he didn't get the service up the centre and from the wings.

I honestly don't think that even with a poacher like Michael Owen back, that they'd get the service they need. I believe Rafa want's forwards who can make goals, not necessarily a 25 season goal man who does little for 85 mins of the game. I think he's looking for the team to chip in with the goals, which is why Bellamy & Crouch seem to fit the bill.

(I'd still like a goal machine to come though )
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anelka is a good player,we should have bought him back in 2002,however he's hardly prolific these days and he wouldn't guarantee us enough goals imo
I also think he's too much of a risk. Teamwork wins championships, not necessarily stars. Anelka brings the risk of destroying any teamwork structure Rafa's put in place. That is probably the worst thing that could happen.
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There is no way Chelsea are going to sell the "missing piece" to, arguably, their nearest rival.
That's very true. But I think the SWP thing, whilst unfortunate for him, will open players eyes to what "chacing the pound" can actually do for your career.

They could make SWP sit out 5 years of his playing career. Whilst he's more that adequately compensated for this it does his future career no good at all. What sort of wage and fee would he be able to command if he's not played in all that time.

The "SWP" effect is already being felt by Chelsea. I read somewhere recently that Vincent Kompany turned down Chelsea as he didn't want to become just part of the Chelsea machine.

Clubs like Liverpool will benefit from this if we show a bit of TLC. Gonzales mentioned that what sealed his decision to come to Liverpool was Rafa phoning him whilst injured, keeping him abreast of developments.
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Based on last season, Chelsea and Man U could do with one of those as well as they certainly didn't have one last year
Chelsea just bought the best finisher in the world and if Utd had played Van Nistlerooy or Saha for the whole season either would have reached that target.
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As I said I'd love a Striker to come as well, but even a 30 goal a season striker needs service. RVN wouldn't have the strike rate he has at ManU if he didn't get the service up the centre and from the wings.

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Our service is pretty good now, its our strikers that let us down, for every goal they scored they seem to miss 2 sitters.

SWP's distribution isnt the best though, both at Man City and Chelsea, dont think he would be the answer. Would prefer Pennant to him.
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Our service is pretty good now, its our strikers that let us down, for every goal they scored they seem to miss 2 sitters.

SWP's distribution isnt the best though, both at Man City and Chelsea, dont think he would be the answer. Would prefer Pennant to him.
Pennent would be good, but I really like SWP's attacking mentality. He was (and I hasten to add "was") very attacking minded for ManC. He'd fly down the wing wither attacking defenders or getting to the by-line for a cross. Imagine him on teh end of Alonso's distribution, with Gerrard coming from Centre, Gonzales from left and with Crouch & Bellamy in the box or coming in late

Pennent, I feel, is less attacking minded vis-a-vis running at defenders.

It doesn't really matter though as we're hardly likely to get SWP anyway.
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Something i found interesting was listening to the audio from Kuyts agent on the BBC website that claimed Kuyt's price is less than what has been mentioned in the papers, which has consistently been around £10m, so maybe hes available for 7-8m
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Pennent would be good, but I really like SWP's attacking mentality. He was (and I hasten to add "was") very attacking minded for ManC. He'd fly down the wing wither attacking defenders or getting to the by-line for a cross. Imagine him on teh end of Alonso's distribution, with Gerrard coming from Centre, Gonzales from left and with Crouch & Bellamy in the box or coming in late

Pennent, I feel, is less attacking minded vis-a-vis running at defenders.

It doesn't really matter though as we're hardly likely to get SWP anyway.
You've seen Gonzales play then! Please fill me in! I'd love to know what he's like!
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You've seen Gonzales play then! Please fill me in! I'd love to know what he's like!
Ive watched a few games with him in and he definitely shined as the best player in the Real Sociedad side and stepped up to the plate against much bigger sides like RM. Very fast player and excellent at taking on players, demon free kick taker also. Cant wait to see him playing in the premiership, i have very high expectations.
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He was (and I hasten to add "was") very attacking minded for ManC. He'd fly down the wing wither attacking defenders or getting to the by-line for a cross. .
Yeah, but the cross would go out for a goal kick . I thought he showed potential at Man City, move to Chelsea was way too early for him, but he's not worth the money he would cost imo.
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Cannovaro and Emerson for £14M - now THAT is business!
Pity we don't have that sort of cout - fine there is the Cappelo factor but that shouldn;t have dictated such relatively small fees for these 2 players...

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and Zambrotta/ Thuram to Barca looks likely now for £15-20m approx.

I think the fees for Thuram, Cannavaro & Emerson are a bit inflated... not exactly young are they?

hope Liverpool get the RW situation sorted finally, even if its Pennant + Kuyt.

hmm.. although some press reports now that we will get both Alves and Kuyt... (£8-12m + £10.3m).

where has the money come from for this? (Kronkamp + Traore would help but not that much...)

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I'd prefer Trouser-Gay on a loan....
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and Zambrotta/ Thuram to Barca looks likely now for £15-20m approx.

I think the fees for Thuram, Cannavaro & Emerson are a bit inflated... not exactly young are they?

hope Liverpool get the RW situation sorted finally, even if its Pennant + Kuyt.

hmm.. although some press reports now that we will get both Alves and Kuyt... (£8-12m + £10.3m).

where has the money come from for this? (Kronkamp + Traore would help but not that much...)
I thought Alves was a RB not a RW?
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