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Old 26-01-2005, 11:01   #41
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It's a waste of space. Don't bother. It's not even offensively gory or nuffink.

Just a run-of-the-mill, vaguely mean-spirited slasher. Only worthy of mention because of Ironside and The Shatner.

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I can say, honestly, that I've seen every one of them.
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Old 26-01-2005, 12:17   #43
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My mate and I tried, in our lean years, to watch them all... then we realised what an utter waste of time and money it was... hence 31.

There are (in a single digit) some gems on there, and an amazing amount of effluent.
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I know what you mean, especially when you're watching on a 15 year old VHS on [shudder] long play...
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Or even EP, for some US tapes (particularly Mexican splatter).

Woof.
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While the gentleman on the Zombie (aka Zombie 2, aka Zombie Flesh Eaters) poster may look pants, I always thought the make up for the Lucio Fulci zombies was much better than Savini's efforts for Dawn of the Dead. I have a soft spot for some of the Fulci films, which are in equal parts sleazy, atmospheric, amateurish and for brief spells even poetic. When not concerned with soft porn interludes or eye gougings (still cut int the UK) Zombie comes often surprisingly close to the mood of Jacques Torneur's classic I Walked With a Zombie.

The Beyond is my favourite of his, featuring a genuinely great scene when the heroine figures out what's wrong with her new best friend, when slow motion footage of the blind girl running off into the night is repeated several time till she realises that no footsteps can be heard. This subtly haunting moment of course is counterbalanced by an extremely rubbish scene of someone getting bitten to death by rubber tarantulas that are obviously being dragged around on strings.


...and I've seen 21 of the films on the list.

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Old 26-01-2005, 13:00   #47
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The main problem I have with Fulci is his dedicated misogyny, although

a) that's to be 'expected' in this genre
b) that's to be 'expected' of an Italian of his generation in this genre.

I can say that cos I'm half-Italian, so nerr!

De Rossi's makeup FX are weirdly binary - sometimes he really comes up with the goods (especially so, considering the budget) and they're genuinely impressive (the headshots in Zombi 2 are really quite kinetic) and other times they can be incredibly weak and really show up the fact he (and his team) have just slapped clay on some poor bloke's face...

I imagine (with the proper materials, something Stivaletti was still bemoaning the lack of in the '80s) that he could've maintained a more consistent standard.

I am an unadulterated Savini fanboy, so it's hard for me to be critical... the 'blue' zombies in DotD, whilst sometimes laughable, are certainly iconic.. and I don't think anything De Rossi has done holds up to Day of the Dead.
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The main problem I have with Fulci is his dedicated misogyny, although

a) that's to be 'expected' in this genre
b) that's to be 'expected' of an Italian of his generation in this genre.

I can say that cos I'm half-Italian, so nerr!
While that's true I have more problems with, say, Lars Von Trier's humiliating and torturing his female protagonists over the course of a whole film, than with Fulci's "let's have this lady puke up her guts to make a buck"-approach.

When I view an exploitation film I do so with the genuine desire to be appalled. Italian horror films of the 70's and 80's are offensive on so many levels that somehow the misogyny only adds to the "I feel soiled for just watching this"-thrill. On the other hand, after years of watching this stuff on pale, gainy, pan & scan VHS, when DVD came along it was a revelation as to how atmospheric and visually beautiful some of these films are.

I would never argue that Fulci had anything to say as an "artist" or much talent as a director. His most interesting films come down to great collaborators like cinematographer Sergio Salvati or composer Fabio Frizzi and the odd moment of seemingly random inspiration.

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Old 26-01-2005, 15:07   #49
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On the other hand, after years of watching this stuff on pale, gainy, pan & scan VHS, when DVD came along it was a revelation as to how atmospheric and visually beautiful some of these films are.
That is very true: after years of only seeing it on naff dupe or Dutch ex-rental VHS, I was very impressed with how atmospheric some of Zombi 2 was whilst watching the recent Shriek Show release... despite most of the mist being insipid, vapid stuff produced by a fog machine two feet off-camera, some of the shots have a lovely, febrile feel to them... and its Caribbean flavour is a boon to the film and lends it some individuality.

Incidentally, it is interesting the amount critics have been able to read into Fulci's work, and some of the books written about him (particularly the beautiful Beyond Terror: The Films Of Lucio Fulci) would seem deserving of an auteur perhaps more worthy of the accolade than the great man.

I recommend that book, btw: it's very critical of Fulci as well as being complementary and incises deep into his failings as a director and, perhaps, as a man...
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I've only seen a paltry seven (Bay of Blood, Evil Dead, Inferno, Last House on the Left, Night Train Murders, Possession and Tenebre), five of which I would consider genuine classics in the truest sense of the word. I fully acknowledge, though, that I have been quite selective when it has come to seeking out these films, so I'm sure I've missed my fair share of complete cack. It does bear mentioning, however, that to tar all these films with the same brush, as some people have a habit of doing, is extremely unfair.
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Old 26-01-2005, 16:24   #51
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Anephric, I've got Beyond Terror by Stephen Thrower and it's a great book. I remember that during the 70's and 80's horror film publications would treat Fulci's films with distain in an attempt to bestow artistic legitimacy on more mainstream examples of the genre, until Eyeball magazine came along to which Thrower was one of the main contributors.

Eyeball would cover a whole range of marginal films from Euro splatter to experimental cinema and caused me to search out films I would have never heard of otherwise.

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I believe Chas Balun has always big-upped Fulci since his Deep Red days as well, although he's far less convincing in his critical prose than Thrower. I have fond memories of Stefan Jaworzyn and Shock Xpress as well...

It's been years since I thought about Eyeball and such. Ta for the memory.
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You are right, there also was Shock Express and Deep Red, which are all merging with Eyeball in my memory. There aren't any good magazines of that kind around anymore. I like Video Watchdog, but the films it covers are too mainstream and magazines that do cover more extreme cinema are too badly written.
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Video Watchdog used to be aces, but has gone downhill a lot. I still pick it up from time to time but it's far less anal (to its detriment) than it used to be...

Cinefantastique (in a broader sense) was an amazing mag in the '80s/early '90s - it's such a pale imitation of itself now it sickens me...

I rarely buy genre mags now. They're moribund.
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I still have a big stack of Cinefantastique magazines from the 70's and 80's. They were the bible of sci fi and horror cinema of that era.
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I saw Cannibal Holocaust recently and was quite surprised at how disturbing I found it. Pity about the unwatchable animal cruelty, but what a beautiful score...

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Old 26-01-2005, 20:25   #57
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I've said this before but ill repeat it. The bbfc actually did Cannibal Holocaust a favour by cutting it. I hate censorship usually but with this i;ll make an exception. The cut version still works perfectly and is very disturbing. Who needs 5 more minutes of rape and animal butchery?
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Shock! Horror!: Astounding Artwork form the Video Nasty Era

Anyone with an interest in the UK 'video nasties' phenomenon should check this new book out. I know, I'm plugging my own book - but it really is one of the best-researched on the subject to date. I promise.
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Old 27-01-2005, 18:25   #59
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We just watched house by the cem last night and quite enjoyed it this time round.
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We just watched house by the cem last night and quite enjoyed it this time round.
I like House by the Cemetery, a truly nasty and barmy zombie flick.I just love the way that

It's probably the last Fulci flick that I really like, after House... the quality goes down hill rapidly.
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