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Old 12-11-2002, 18:14   #21
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According to Michael Ds site the DTS dropouts are at 14:19, 29:20, 39:38 on the R4 set. I tried my R2 just now and did not here anything wrong at these points. Can anyone with an R2 DVD give the times for the dropouts ?
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Old 27-11-2002, 00:44   #22
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Update...

After comparing the R2 and R1 extended editions, I can definitely hear the drop-outs at the points mentioned on MichaelDVD's site, on the R2, particularly the last one on the 2nd disc. The times were the same as the quoted R4 times (shouldn't be any different as it's almost certainly the same master for the film).

I cannot hear anything on the R1 though.

This is comparing the DTS tracks. Haven't done a comparison with DD.
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Old 14-12-2002, 16:28   #23
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On the subject of pitch-correction, are episodes of the X-Files on BBC2 supposed to have a warbling soundtrack?

Usually there's always some atmospheric chord droning in the background, but it seems to have wobbles/blips in it. Is it meant to sound that way, or is it due to poor NTSC-PAL conversion?
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Old 14-12-2002, 18:35   #24
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On the subject of pitch-correction, are episodes of the X-Files on BBC2 supposed to have a warbling soundtrack?

Usually there's always some atmospheric chord droning in the background, but it seems to have wobbles/blips in it. Is it meant to sound that way, or is it due to poor NTSC-PAL conversion?
Not sure it's supposed to, but I've certainly heard it on Sky One. It's possible the same transfers are shown on BBC2. Since it sounds very similar to the glitches on LOTR and particularly in sustained musical notes, then I'm fairly convinced it's the same thing (pitch correction).

I've noticed it on a few other US shows more recently. A worrying trend this pitch correction stuff, especially if it happens on more DVDs. Seems pointless when the vast majority (myself included) either don't notice or don't care about the 1fps speed up in pitch with PAL.

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Old 16-12-2002, 23:50   #25
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On the subject of pitch-correction, are episodes of the X-Files on BBC2 supposed to have a warbling soundtrack?

Usually there's always some atmospheric chord droning in the background, but it seems to have wobbles/blips in it. Is it meant to sound that way, or is it due to poor NTSC-PAL conversion?
Nope, as if the BBC or even Sky could do pitch correction. Most of the time it's down to bad standards converstions.
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Old 17-12-2002, 00:44   #26
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Nope, as if the BBC or even Sky could do pitch correction. Most of the time it's down to bad standards converstions.
It's not BBC or Sky though. I suspect it's the transfers that Fox supply (which they probably convert to 25fps for them). Apparently they use a method of conversion from 30fps to 25fps that converts to 24 then to 25fps, and thus you get a speed up normally (but then they pitch correct... possibly).

I'm convinced it is pitch correction, or at the very least it's the same thing that's going on in LOTR (if that's not pitch correction). It sounds exactly the same. It's audio drop-outs, and it makes perfect sense that it's pitch correction as the way they can do it is through time compression. i.e. keep the same pitch but compress the time down so bits get skipped now and again to re-sync the audio to the frames. Result... audio drop-outs. The idea is that many people won't notice, but unfortunately it's very noticeable, and annoying to me.
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Old 17-12-2002, 09:54   #27
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(which they probably convert to 25fps for them).
They don't do that anymore. The BBC and Sky get supplied with NTSC tapes. They have to convert them themselves.
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Old 23-04-2003, 15:37   #28
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Justing bumping this one up as the new LOTR DVD is due soon.

Lets hope this problem doesn't raise it's head again for The Two Towers, however I shall probably get the R1 just to be safe.

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Old 23-04-2003, 15:57   #29
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The new LOTR DVD is still 3 months away, due on August 26th.

I will get just the R1 boxset in November.
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Old 23-04-2003, 16:13   #30
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Lets hope this problem doesn't raise it's head again for The Two Towers, however I shall probably get the R1 just to be safe.
Yeah, I'll be avoiding R2 and R4 at all costs, just in case.. and also to avoid those crappy player generated subtitles.

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bump - just to raise awareness for those thinking of buying the Two Towers
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Old 24-06-2003, 14:43   #32
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Has anybody raised this with EIV. I listened to it today and think it is absolutely awful !!!! It is without doubt the worst soundtrack I have in my collection and I was expecting the best!!!

The dialogue channel also seems very quiet/indistinct.

Does anybody have EIV's address. It was a lot of money to pay when the soundtrack is duff.



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Has anybody raised this with EIV. I listened to it today and think it is absolutely awful !!!! It is without doubt the worst soundtrack I have in my collection and I was expecting the best!!!

The dialogue channel also seems very quiet/indistinct.

Does anybody have EIV's address. It was a lot of money to pay when the soundtrack is duff.



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In all fairness to EIV (who, in most areas, are completely incompetent and not worth wasting any money on), the Australian release has the same problems with the audio. The pitch correction was apparently done at Peter Jackson's request, so EIV just had to put up with what they were given.

DISCLAIMER: Nowhere in this post am I making any claim of supporting EIV. They are a disgraceful company and are one of my primary reasons for buying R1 titles.
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Old 24-06-2003, 19:07   #34
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Yeah, P.J. had the bright idea of deciding we shouldn't have to suffer with PAL speed up altering the pitch, so pitch correct. Good idea, but unfortunately the technology involved in the pitch correction is not up to the job (and if you think about it, something's got to "give" as to do pitch correction you have to time-compress the audio which seems to be what they've done which causes these "stutter" kind of glitches).

Not good .

Though to be fair the R1 picture quality is better than the R2 also (even accounting for NTSC being lower resolution).
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Old 25-06-2003, 07:24   #35
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Fair point, Whiggles. It is just so frustrating after I had high expectations. Wish I'd seen this thread before buying.

I am shocked that Peter Jackson would have this movie represented so badly, especially in his home land.

Solution - Sell this version and get the R1 from CD-Wow, methinks.

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bump - has anyone spotted the same problem with TTT standard edition?

Not that I'll be getting the R2 now anyway as the R1 of FOTR was a better picture and I'd rather stick with R1 throughout now.
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OK, here are the people responsible for the digital pitch correction (I think) - if it's not them they are bound to know who did it:

http://www.robertmargouleff.com/page.../studioset.htm
(Click on the 'Movies' button to see FOTR and TTT listed).

The email address is: info@micasamm.com

The man responsible is (I think) Brant Biles. (If you search Google for "Brant Biles" and "pitch", you can find several technical articles about him doing more minor pitch corrections on other material, so it seems likely that we have in fact identified the guy here. These guys also seem to be responsible for the DVDs of The X Files).


Let me know how you get on....

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Im just avoiding all R2 LOTR releases after listening to FOTR.
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OK, here are the people responsible for the digital pitch correction (I think) - if it's not them they are bound to know who did it:

http://www.robertmargouleff.com/page.../studioset.htm
(Click on the 'Movies' button to see FOTR and TTT listed).

The email address is: info@micasamm.com

The man responsible is (I think) Brant Biles. (If you search Google for "Brant Biles" and "pitch", you can find several technical articles about him doing more minor pitch corrections on other material, so it seems likely that we have in fact identified the guy here. These guys also seem to be responsible for the DVDs of The X Files).


Let me know how you get on....

I'm worried now. These guys are the ones doing the 5.1 remasters for the early Bond films (due 2005), which we were hoping would be quite nice, but I hope to god they don't do pitch correction on them!
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