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Old 30-08-2002, 14:08   #1
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LOTR:FOTR pitch correction audio problem on R2/R4

Interesting

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews...?ReviewID=1715

Seems it's been pitch corrected which could explain the problems (not that the corrected pitch is the problem as it would sound correct, but the side-affects of doing so seem to have screwed things up). In the main it appears it's just quieter.


For R4 also read R2 as I believe it has the same problems.

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Old 03-09-2002, 10:48   #2
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As you say; interesting (though how could they tell...I thought anoraks had hoods?)

However, taking all the comments togther it would seem that:

R1: is louder - possibly too loud and has a sharper picture - perhaps too sharp and less film-like

R4: is quieter (obviously) and has some pitch problems that only people with perfect pitch can hear, or some others think they can hear, once it's been pointed out to them. (Note also that the "problem" was only realised by doing a direct comparison).
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Old 03-09-2002, 18:09   #3
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And several of us on here noticed the sound problems on watching / hearing the R2 version.

I certainly don't have perfect pitch unfortunately!

See the thread :
http://www.thedvdforums.co.uk/forums...hreadid=106351
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Old 03-09-2002, 22:38   #4
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R4: is quieter (obviously) and has some pitch problems that only people with perfect pitch can hear, or some others think they can hear, once it's been pointed out to them. (Note also that the "problem" was only realised by doing a direct comparison).
i dont think that was his point.

it wasnt whether people can notice the differences between PAL and NTSC, it was the fact LOTR R4 was pitch corrected which may account for some of the sound errors that people have been spotting.
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Old 04-09-2002, 10:59   #5
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I was trying to summarise the effects, rather than the cause.

It really doesn't matter why there's a problem with the sound only that there is.

More importantly, it would appear that very few people can hear that problem, with those that can (at least in the report referred to) only spotting them when there're pointed out. Reading between the lines I would suppose that others who can spot them (unless they have very good hearing - perfect (or close to) pitch etc.) only do so because they've been told there is a problem.
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Old 04-09-2002, 14:21   #6
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I thought though that this was a bigger issue. There seems to be many posts on it and many have noticed a problem without anyone pointing it out.

It's not necessarily a 'perfect pitch' issue, this seems to be an audio "drop-out" flaw in the pitch correction process which is far more likely to be noticeable (it's not that the pitch is different, it's that you get glitches in the audio).

That said, I don't own it so can't say myself. I'm hoping the SE will have a fixed DTS track.
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Hmmm...I have to hold my hand up and admit that I've not searched through the Forums to see how big a problem it is; I was going only by the report on "MichaelD's" site.

In any event, as you say, hopefully the issue has been corrected for the SE version which I'm holding out for (thought the cinema version was too short/quick).

I'm guessing MichaelD will be doing a similar report on that, so we should find out.
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Old 07-09-2002, 15:10   #8
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I'm hoping the SE will have a fixed DTS track.
Someone has posted elsewhere that the Region 2 SE will NOT have a DTS track.
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Old 08-09-2002, 07:50   #9
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i thought the subwoofer was used way too much in the film on the R1
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I have the Region 1 and I've found no problems with the sound. Superb 5.1 sound. Rarely bettered IMO.
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Old 13-09-2002, 23:54   #11
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According to this the R4 will have DTS and has a 5 disc version.

However, getting the 5 disc box from R4 is difficult.
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On the subject of these audio glitches, having just heard the sample on MichaelDVD's site, it sounds exactly like the glitches throughout the last season of the X-Files shown on Sky One, which was really ******* me off . Sounds like a stutter during any music. I assume it's to do with some kind of pitch correction (though odd with X-Files as beging TV it's 30fps down to 25fps, unlike film which is 24fps up to 25fps and then they've obviously tried to pitch correct).

This would be VERY annoying if it's throughout the whole of LOTR.

I guess what's happening is some sort of compression on the sound so that it's at the right pitch but doesn't lose sync, and by doing that it will skip in places. No wonder most films don't use it. I'd rather have the 1fps speed increase as I never notice it anyway.

Please let the DTS track on the SE be fixed.
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[(though odd with X-Files as beging TV it's 30fps down to 25fps, unlike film which is 24fps up to 25fps and then they've obviously tried to pitch correct).
No, like most US drama shows, its shot on film at 24fps. Thus, the preferred method NTSC-PAL conversion in these cases is a DEFT transfer, which removes the 3:2 pulldown and so recovers the original 24fps, and then speeds it up to 25fps like with film. You can spot when sky catches up with the US showings for Buffy by when the transfers stop being DEFT transfers.

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Oh dear.

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews...?ReviewID=2231
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Oh dear.

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews...?ReviewID=2231

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The bad news first - the same ill-advised pitch correction that was applied to the theatrical version of the DVD is present on the Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks of this film. The DTS soundtrack's extra resolution makes the artefacts from this process more obvious


That settles it then. R1 is the only option.


This is really worrying if this is a trend they're going to start following. Originally I used to argue about why they don't do pitch correction. Now I see why, and I'd much prefer the speed up than glitches in the audio. I wonder if there's a petition for this?

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There's always a chance that the R2 will be different.... but more likely than not it will have the same problems as the R4

I went for the R1 for price and packaging reasons originally, but with stuff like this I'm glad I did

They really should treat R2 and R4 with more respect. :rolleyes:
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i thought the subwoofer was used way too much in the film on the R1
The Balrog actually made my floorboards move!!!


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ps Bought R1 US edition.
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Does this 'audio dropout' occur when just using the TV to watch the film and not using an amp?
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Does this 'audio dropout' occur when just using the TV to watch the film and not using an amp?
it's probably even less noticable with the sound going through the TV. personally i couldn't notice it anyway, even with DTS in the extended version. i think for most people you'd only notice it if someone pointed out the exact moment it occurs.
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it's probably even less noticable with the sound going through the TV. personally i couldn't notice it anyway, even with DTS in the extended version. i think for most people you'd only notice it if someone pointed out the exact moment it occurs.
Thanks, I was just curious as I have the R1 in the post but my brother may buy it some time. He doesn't have a av amp.
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