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Old 19-08-2018, 16:58   #3941
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Cheers Pogba. Not nearly enough

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Old 19-08-2018, 16:59   #3942
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Fellaini dived for that none penalty...made no difference in the end...awful, awful, awful!

If Maureen had ANY integrity he'd resign now!!!
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Old 19-08-2018, 17:16   #3943
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Pogba seemed fine in the World Cup.

Don't think he resigned from any job
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Old 19-08-2018, 17:18   #3944
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There's more going on here.

The playing style isn't right for United, but it's José's style and he had success with it. The board knew that. It's their fault not his.

The players are playing badly. Pogba, Lukaku, Lindelof all had good world cups, Mata, Rashford, De Gea are top class players, yet DDG aside, they aren't performing. Martial was good once.
Is it the style, the manager, the players?

The board didn't back José and he was right about the central defence and arguably about Martial.

If José goes, so should Woodward.

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Pogba seemed fine in the World Cup.

Don't think he resigned from any job
...don't think he has any integrity...or any ***in' idea what he's doing at United...special one my ar5e, just sack him!
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Fellaini dived for that none penalty...made no difference in the end...awful, awful, awful!

If Maureen had ANY integrity he'd resign now!!!
I was thinking the same thing about the penalty - never a penalty in a million years yet the commentators seemed convinced.

Can't be long before the LVG ( and even Moyes ) v Mourinho record comparison gets dragged up ? Or does Sky only do that to Klopp?

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Why would they compare Klopp to Moyes and LVG?
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I was thinking the same thing about the penalty - never a penalty in a million years yet the commentators seemed convinced.

Can't be long before the LVG ( and even Moyes ) v Mourinho record comparison gets dragged up ? Or does Sky only do that to Klopp?
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I was thinking the same thing about the penalty - never a penalty in a million years yet the commentators seemed convinced.

Can't be long before the LVG ( and even Moyes ) v Mourinho record comparison gets dragged up ? Or does Sky only do that to Klopp?
To be fair Brunty, I was surprised to beat you to it

...soft penalty though for sure!
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Moyes maybe, but LVG won something.

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It's the lack of progress that bugs me. What are we trying to build? Just seems like a disparate bunch of individuals, done of whom are busy already thinking about their next club.

It's not a team. And if Jose can't understand why it's not working then, for all his bleating about the rights and wrongs of our transfer policy, he should either do something new, Southgate style, or move aside.
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Old 20-08-2018, 06:16   #3952
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Well the players are already having a pop at each other for not trying hard enough, it isn't looking promising.
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Old 20-08-2018, 08:37   #3953
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In my mind, he's a dead man walking.

Woodward is clearly covering his arse by blaming Mourinho, they didn't back him in the summer and are talking about getting a director of football in and the players aren't performing for him for whatever reason.

You can blame Mourinho, but not for his style of play. Sure, it's not what the fans want, but it's the way his teams have always played. The board knew this when they hired him, it can't come as a surprise.
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It's like a lot of managers, Sam Allardyce being the case, he did a decent job at Everton and no doubt got himself some bonuses for where he finished in the league and not getting them relegated. But then football fans start demanding the results and the football.

It's sort of like the Moneyball of football, less likely to lose if you do X, more likely to win if you first don't concede, a lot easier to win 1-0, than it is to come back from a goal down to win 2-1.

Really not sure why he got that new contract, all I can imagine is that he would get less money if sacked, but don't see why he'd sign that.

His whole thing seems to be

1. Get big contract
2. Spend loads of money
3. Get short term success
4. Quickly wear out welcome
5. Get sacked and take pay off

He's done it everywhere except in Portugal, can't see that Man Utd would have expected anything else. Aside from a bit of success early on, he's pretty much done a classic Jose.

For him, I don't really see what jobs might become available he'd want, potentially something in Italy or maybe PSG. Aside from that I think he's burned his bridges in Spain and England.

I checked his odds for next management casualty, thinking it'd be worth a tenner, he's the lowest odds.
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Old 20-08-2018, 09:41   #3955
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I have said this before, but a Spanish friend of mine who is a big Real Madrid fan, said to me a few years back that the fans wanted Mouriniho out. Whatever one might say about his style of play, it would kill football if everyone adopted it. No one wants to watch a boring game, whatever sport it is. We all want to be entertained. If he can't entertain & win, then bring along someone who can. Zinedine Zidane has been touted, but he did take over a fairly successful RM, could he take over a club with low morale & turn it around? If he came to OT would it be only his second big club?
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I have said this before, but a Spanish friend of mine who is a big Real Madrid fan, said to me a few years back that the fans wanted Mouriniho out. Whatever one might say about his style of play, it would kill football if everyone adopted it. No one wants to watch a boring game, whatever sport it is. We all want to be entertained. If he can't entertain & win, then bring along someone who can. Zinedine Zidane has been touted, but he did take over a fairly successful RM, could he take over a club with low morale & turn it around? If he came to OT would it be only his second big club?
I think that's why he did so well with Inter (Mourinho); he's very much suited to the catenaccio style of play, which is so lauded in Italy.

We are different in England, we'd rather play well in an attacking style and lose. In Italy they appreciate that defensive play is just as important and celebrate it.

Having said that, we're doing neither at the moment.

Zidane would be a big risk, but he's at least proved himself at managing superstar egos, and would have respect because he's "been there, done that" as a player.
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I think perhaps where he works best is at a club a little starved of success, so if you've not won the title in a while or ever, you can tolerate it a little if you're winning every game and giving the odd team a thumping at home. But after a while it gets a little tedious.

When he's not doing so great, there is little to support him, especially when most fans seem to have taken the lack of fancy football to be the reason for not doing so well.

Zidane would work OK, the issue with United, is that any new manager coming in now would demand some serious funds, so changing the manager every year or two is not a very good financial move
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Zidane would work OK, the issue with United, is that any new manager coming in now would demand some serious funds, so changing the manager every year or two is not a very good financial move
That's the problem that United now have. SAF and Wenger were freaks of the modern game. Managers either don't stick around because they have itchy feet or get a better offer, or they're sacked. Nobody is around for 5 or 10 years, let alone twenty.

The Glaziers have a problem. They've had it easy for so long, they've never stuck their hands in their own pockets (not even when they bought the club) and have creamed off the profits year on year, easily covering the transfer fees and wages.

Now they're going to have to 'tighten their belts' and take less because football has changed significantly over the last 5 or so years.
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That's the problem that United now have. SAF and Wenger were freaks of the modern game. Managers either don't stick around because they have itchy feet or get a better offer, or they're sacked. Nobody is around for 5 or 10 years, let alone twenty.

The Glaziers have a problem. They've had it easy for so long, they've never stuck their hands in their own pockets (not even when they bought the club) and have creamed off the profits year on year, easily covering the transfer fees and wages.

Now they're going to have to 'tighten their belts' and take less because football has changed significantly over the last 5 or so years.
I don't see it, more money in pot, clubs are spending more, transfer fees are rocketing, ManU have biggest revenue in football. They will continue to spend , they have to or will be left behind.
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I don't see it, more money in pot, clubs are spending more, transfer fees are rocketing, ManU have biggest revenue in football. They will continue to spend , they have to or will be left behind.
don't see what? that's exactly what I am saying.
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