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Old 03-07-2010, 00:17   #221
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That Carl Weathers is cap on there.

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That's creepy.
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:00   #222
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The grain enhances the detail. Look at the spielberg films Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report and War of the the Worlds. The Blu Rays have grain throughout the entire picture and the picture is lovely and sharp and lots of detail.

The grain was already in Predator. What many people might have been happy with is for them to use DNR very slightly and then the AVC high bitrate encode. No contrast boosting or anything else.
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Old 03-07-2010, 18:25   #223
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Just watched it, the picture quality is very inconsistent throughout, some scenes look very good, but then you get an odd scene which looks awful. The worst bit has to be when Dutch comes out of the water and is camouflaged up with mud, just looks a blurred mess.

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Old 04-07-2010, 22:43   #224
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I've just watched the original release for the first time. The heaviness of the grain is very inconsistent throughout the film (I'm guessing the less grainy shots were filmed in a studio or under more controllable lighting conditions). In fact, some of the grainier shots in the film are also some of the same ones we've seen screencaps of where the characters look "waxy" on this new release. It makes perfect sense that heavier noise reduction was applied to the most grainy shots, whereas the "clearer" ones were less affected because the DNR wasn't so strongly applied. Fox have apparently come up with a release where the film grain is consistent throughout, but the actual detail and texture of the film is all over the place.

Going with what Dan said above, the shot of Arnie coming out the water was very grainy.

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Old 04-07-2010, 23:56   #225
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General rule of thumb: the darker a scene is, the grainier it will be, especially for location shooting. This doesn't hold quite so true with more recent flicks, because big improvements have been made with the granularity of faster film stock, and grain can also be manipulated in the DI process.

But for the all-analogue Predator, the dark/smokey scenes are grainy as ****.
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:42   #226
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Yeah I know that's usually the case Geoff, but some of the night scenes aren't very grainy at all (for instance the scene where Mac kills the boar). It appears to be randomly inconsistent, but I'm sure there's some practical reason for it.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:14   #227
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Some shots could've been darkened in post by simply underexposing the film when developing it, I guess. Such 'pull' processing would also have the effect of reducing visible grain, whereas darkening the picture with a proper optical pass would surely increase the visible grain.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:47   #228
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Aye, that would make a lot of sense. What about the opposite? There's some crystal clear daytime shots that populate some scenes (round about when Hawkins and Blane get killed), but then a couple of sneaky ones that are populated with grain.

Here's a specific example: The wide shot where Arnie says "we must make a stand now, or there'll be nobody left to get to the choppa" is perfectly clear and lovely, but the close-up shot a few seconds later where he utters "if it bleeds, we can kill it" is incredibly grainy (in fact I think we saw a screencap of that very shot from the new BD with Arnie looking superwaxy).

The grain doesn't bother me myself, I accept it as part of the film and prefer it to the horrid digital processes that Fox insist on doing, I'm just curious about it.

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Old 05-07-2010, 15:59   #229
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There's a guy at AVS who sez that the movie was fiddled with more than normal in post, as a 'hired gun' was brought in to edit the movie after the initial efforts were less than spectacular. This meant lots of reframed shots and whatnot, which could lead to the inexplicable increase in grain that you mention AK. The lack of detail in that 'rubber Arnie' shot you mention would also lend credence to that view, as blown-up shots usually lose a fair bit of detail.

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Ah, OK. Cheers.
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I almost remember a time when enjoying films was all about the plot and the acting, instead of how good the transfer looked and sounded.
Ahh, if only we could go back to the days of watching The Thing cropped to 4:3 on VHS on a 14" set. Those sure were the days.
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Ahh, if only we could go back to the days of watching The Thing cropped to 4:3 on VHS on a 14" set. Those sure were the days.
The Thing cropped to 4:3 on VHS on a 14" set > Transformers ROTF WS Bluray in DD on my 42" Pany

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Old 06-07-2010, 13:20   #234
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The Thing cropped to 4:3 on VHS on a 14" set > Transformers ROTF WS Bluray in DD on my 42" Pany
Pretty much anything is > than that abomination!
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Ahh, if only we could go back to the days of watching The Thing cropped to 4:3 on VHS on a 14" set. Those sure were the days.
At least we just enjoyed films for what they were back then, rather than moaning about waxy hills and what not...
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At least we just enjoyed films for what they were back then, rather than moaning about waxy hills and what not...
We can only imagine what the VHS vs Beta arguments would have been like had the internets been around then, but I think they would have been utterly spectacular.
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We can only imagine what the VHS vs Beta arguments would have been like had the internets been around then, but I think they would have been utterly spectacular.
I had both

I remember though that the local video store had a whole shop of VHS for rent, and a single small shelf behind the counter for betamax

Much like the more recent format wars
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We can only imagine what the VHS vs Beta arguments would have been like had the internets been around then, but I think they would have been utterly spectacular.
Betamax should have won.
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