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Old 11-08-2007, 08:44   #21
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Are the games region coded though?
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Playstation 3 games don't have any kind of region coding on them (unlike PS2 games should you wish to play them on the console). In theory, a publisher could put regional locking on a particular title but none have chosen to do so so far.

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Old 11-08-2007, 12:15   #23
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Playstation 3 games don't have any kind of region coding on them (unlike PS2 games should you wish to play them on the console). In theory, a publisher could put regional locking on a particular title but none have chosen to do so so far.

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midway almost put region locking on stranglehold but the "threat of getting aids from immature gamers" changed it (after a backlash it was changed to region free)

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It's always going to be cheaper to import a disc from the US and the choice is much better and will likely always be much better.
That's certainly not been the case with DVD. Early on it was, but today discs are so cheap in the UK it's really not worth importing even with the current exchange rate, and frequently we are getting better versions in the UK than US equivalents. I certainly wouldn't want to get a US player and cut off options from the rest of the world.

Though of course there is an extra bonus with DVD in that PAL has a higher resolution than NTSC, which is something at least we're rid off at last with HD formats.

Personally I refuse to import a player on principle. I live in the UK. I should be able to buy decent movies in the UK at decent prices. I should be able to import movies from anywhere in the world and play them on a UK player. I would also like a warranty that will be honoured in the UK.

Not be restricted by stupid policies by the likes of Sony.

Oh and those importing PS3s, enjoy it while it lasts. Sony's lawyers will gradually step on companies importing to the UK/EU. Remember Lik-Sang? . They're stepping up the pressure at the moment with DVD and CD imports also.


Of course, this problem doesn't exist with HD-DVD

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Old 11-08-2007, 13:14   #25
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Of course, this problem doesn't exist with HD-DVD
And within two years HD-DVD itself won't exist.
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Old 11-08-2007, 13:27   #26
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Personally I refuse to import a player on principle. I live in the UK. I should be able to buy decent movies in the UK at decent prices. I should be able to import movies from anywhere in the world and play them on a UK player. I would also like a warranty that will be honoured in the UK.

Not be restricted by stupid policies by the likes of Sony.
Er, region coding is a decision made by the studios, not Sony.

Either way, nobody likes region coding, but it's something we have to make the best of. So let's not hijack this thread into another rant against it.

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And within two years HD-DVD itself won't exist.
Won't happen. Two years from now the format war will still be waging, but most people won't care as DVD will still be selling infinitely higher amounts and both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray reside as nothing more than niche products like SACD/DVD-A and Laserdisc

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Er, region coding is a decision made by the studios, not Sony.
Sony's a rather big studio owner and also major stakeholder and influence in Blu-Ray, not to mention the maker of the PS3. Region coding has a lot to do with them.

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Either way, nobody likes region coding, but it's something we have to make the best of. So let's not hijack this thread into another rant against it.
Seems region coding is core to the question posed in the thread. Without region coding there'd be no need to import a US player and thus this thread wouldn't even exist, so it's entirely relevant.
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I do not own either format but if I had to jump on board it would probably be with Blueray. I did want/think that HD-DVD would be the the better format/support but it just aint looking that way.

If I wanted a HD disc spinner then it would probably be a writable blueray drive as part of a HTPC. Will probably build one when writers and blank media come down a bit.
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Won't happen. Two years from now the format war will still be waging.
It won't be. Just look in the shops. Most of them are favouring Blu-ray now. This war will be over quicker than people think.

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but most people won't care as DVD will still be selling infinitely higher amounts and both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray reside as nothing more than niche products like SACD/DVD-A and Laserdisc
DVD will be around for quite a while yes, but I disagree that Blu-ray is in the same league as SACD or DVD-A. Because HDTV is a format that we'll all be forced to adopt in the coming years. It compliments that.


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Seems region coding is core to the question posed in the thread. Without region coding there'd be no need to import a US player and thus this thread wouldn't even exist, so it's entirely relevant.
There are more reasons to import a machine, and that is to get releases ahead of a UK release date. Of course it's region coding, but there's nothing we can do about it. Is there?

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Sony's a rather big studio owner and also major stakeholder and influence in Blu-Ray, not to mention the maker of the PS3. Region coding has a lot to do with them.
The decision as to whether a film is region coded is entirely at the discretion of the studio that is releasing it. Which is why some studios have decided to use it and some haven't.

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I agree with thescrounger, BluRay will win this war, it has the cool factor, has a better name and has the PS3! Does the UK have better BD titles than their US counterparts? ...IMO it's always going to be the case that the US catalogue will be far bigger and most of the time better than ours. The question of SD multi-region playback is not really a big deal I suppose given that you can get one at the supermarket for a few quid, but anyway, with the ability to update the firmware of the PS3, will it really be that long before there is a hack?

I am balnced on the edge now CC in hand, it's very clear to me that if you want a PS3 it has to be US!!

...oh, and I did read in one of the UK AV mags about certain UK BluRay titles being encoded with PAL speedup...truly bizarre!
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I placed my order for a US PS3 today - you know you want to too
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Lets hope there are some more strikes so you can get some time to play on it, then!

My opinion is that US is the way to go - I haven't had any problems with compatibility so far, although I do only have one English Blu Ray (Starship Troopers).
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Hey maybe your redundancy will come through quicker and you'll have all the time in the world to play on yours
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Hey Lou, where did you get yours from?
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Oh and those importing PS3s, enjoy it while it lasts. Sony's lawyers will gradually step on companies importing to the UK/EU. Remember Lik-Sang? . They're stepping up the pressure at the moment with DVD and CD imports also.
So did the battle with Lik-Sang do anything other than show Sony up to be vindictive and silly? Afterall, the number of people importing is likely to be very small, but at the same time it did serve to give the oxygen of publicity to importing as an option.

Also, it tends to bring about the petty anomoly of being able to buy games and consoles from one supplier but not another. In the case of the Playstation 3, I couldn't get one from Play-Asia so PriceJapan got my custom instead. At the time, there was a bigger difference in price otherwise I most likely would have picked up a U.S. PS3 (- both are region A).

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Sony's a rather big studio owner and also major stakeholder and influence in Blu-Ray, not to mention the maker of the PS3. Region coding has a lot to do with them.
If Sony's so big on Region Coding then how come the majority of their releases in any region are region free?
Sony is NOT the controlling force behind blu-ray.
Region Coding is there as an option for those studios who wish to use it (mainly Fox & Di$ney NOT Sony)
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It won't be. Just look in the shops. Most of them are favouring Blu-ray now. This war will be over quicker than people think.
I've seen plenty of shops with equal space for both formats (some branches of HMV included). Not that it makes a blind bit of difference as they likely sell only one copy of either format a week anyway. It's probably costing them far more for the space than they make off sales.

Launch Star Wars or LOTR now on HD-DVD only and it would kill Blu-Ray in an instant as the sales are so low of either. Not that they would. It's far too early to bring out the big guns.

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DVD will be around for quite a while yes, but I disagree that Blu-ray is in the same league as SACD or DVD-A. Because HDTV is a format that we'll all be forced to adopt in the coming years. It compliments that.
Who's forcing anyone to adopt HDTV? We aren't going to have an 'HD Switchover' from SD telly. SD telly is going to continue for 10 or 20 years.

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If Sony's so big on Region Coding then how come the majority of their releases in any region are region free?
38% of Sony owned studio US releases are region restricted *. Yes not the majority, but still a significant amount and more so when many are recent films like Casino Royale (i.e. to prevent obtaining them before the release date in non-US territories).

* - where region coding is known (taken from http://bluray.liesinc.net/). Of interest is 75% of MGM releases are region restricted.

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Region Coding is there as an option for those studios who wish to use it (mainly Fox & Di$ney NOT Sony)
Absolutely, but Sony choose to use it as well I'm afraid, but not only that they were a major driving force behind the decision to include region coding to attract the likes of Fox & Disney.

It's sad that people are happy to jump with the popular format because studios have been swayed by limiting consumer choice to protect regional markets and fair use restricting factors, through the likes of Region Coding and disabling of Mandatory Managed Copy.

And you're living in a dreamworld if you think that just because these things are not enforced much at present doesn't mean they won't ever be in the future, especially if the format really takes off.

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I agree with thescrounger, BluRay will win this war, it has the cool factor, has a better name and has the PS3!
Weak reasons to back a format, especially when Blu-Ray as a name is so alien to the mass public. Give them HD-DVD and the can understand what it means. High Definition DVD. Simple. PS3 is a laughing stock at the moment anyway, just collecting dust whilst a simple non-HD console wipes the floor with it . The PS2 was a fantastic machine and I loved it, but the PS3 is a major marketing mistake all just to promote Blu-Ray.

Don't really see what's any more 'cool' about Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Technically they're pretty much identical just one has a little more capacity and costs more to produce. As far as what goes on them they're pretty much the same except the 'cool' one has more restrictions (go figure what Joe Public would be stupid enough to accept that because of a 'cool' name ).

But then I realise people buy iPods, so hell maybe Blu-Ray will win through stupidity
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If you think that launching one or two film franchises will kill blue ray (and I am NOT a fanboy, I own neither) then you are seriously mistaken.!

Mass market consumers couldn't give a rats pizzle regarding region coding.

If I do jump it will be a blue ray writable PC drive when they come down drastically in price...
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So what's your point DK? Blu-ray is actually outselling HD-DVD now, there's nothing that can be done about it. However small the sales figures are, they are outselling HD-DVD and figures will continue to climb steadily. Even Universal admitted that it's looking grim for HD-DVD and that if they were to go format neutral, then HD-DVD would be finished. It's inevitable as well I should add. Nobody is signing up for HD-DVD anymore but more people are taking up BD. So arguing against BD seems fairly pointless now. I think you're wasting your breath ranting against BD like it's still 6 months ago. Things have changed.
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