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Old 19-11-2010, 10:25   #1
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[News] A Serbian Film (UK) in January

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The controversial film scripted by Serbian horror film critic Aleksandar Radivojevic (screenwriter of the award winning ‘Tears For Sale’) and debut feature from director Srdjan Spasojevic is the twisted tale of an adult film star’s horrifying descent into an almost unimaginable hell. Radivojevic him...

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Old 19-11-2010, 10:25   #2
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Not really sure how this slipped through without the public outcry The Human Centipede received. Considering the latter is little more than a dark comedy and this is the extreme opposite you have to question the fickle nature of the horror audience...
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Old 19-11-2010, 12:01   #3
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To see the differences check out the original Contrafilm trailer then the UK Revolver trailer.

We interviewed Stuart Brennan - The British Horror Film Festival Director about how his view of the film changed after seeing it and why it was also pulled at the last minute from his festival.
http://thexperimenthq.cjb.net/

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Old 19-11-2010, 12:40   #4
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I think there is less outcry because of the amount of cuts. If this was being shown in its original format you can bet the Daily Mail would be right on it.
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Old 19-11-2010, 13:49   #5
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I've seen the uncut version and it's probably the toughest watch I've sat through.

There are some images that will never leave you, but it does have artistic merit and I thought it very good.

Saying that, I probably never want to see it again.
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Old 19-11-2010, 14:55   #6
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I've seen the uncut version and it's probably the toughest watch I've sat through.

There are some images that will never leave you, but it does have artistic merit and I thought it very good.

Saying that, I probably never want to see it again.
Agreed, very well made, but christ, tough going, especially that scene

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Agreed with the above posters, It's biggest problem is that it's very well made.

I have a mutual friend with the distributer and the UK edition will have a set of unique extras and a code that allows you to download the full version as apparently the BBFC have "no control over downloads ".

I would take that with a pinch of salt.
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Old 19-11-2010, 18:23   #8
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Given that Revolver handed out an extremely detailed list of all 49 individual cuts, describing the context, their length, their content and reasons for removal to people attending recent press shows - in other words, they're not merely not hiding the BBFC cuts but actively highlighting them (the list took up more than half the press pack), this wouldn't surprise me at all.

Mind you, I have a certain amount of sympathy for the BBFC here, as they were faced with an impossible task. Although Srdjan Spasojevic emphasises in the blocking and editing that no kids were actually exposed to anything depraved (they're more likely to be featured in cutaways than otherwise), and the baby in the film's most notorious scene is obviously fake (even on a low-resolution download, so I imagine it's even more obvious on the big screen), it nonetheless spectacularly breaches the BBFC's guidelines on extreme sexual violence and sexualised material involving children, which are practically the only real taboos they have these days (animal cruelty being a legal rather than a guideline issue). They reckon that on balance it probably doesn't breach the 1978 Protection of Children Act (and I'd agree with that), but this is nonetheless a genuine risk.

Also, ironically, the scene with the baby is arguably more disturbing in the BBFC-approved version, simply because you can only hear what's going on - and my imagination conjured up far more disturbing images than I eventually witnessed when I got hold of the full version.
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Old 19-11-2010, 18:44   #9
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Given that there are a fair number of recent Serbian films that have more than a little merit, not to mention many Serb/Yugoslav movies that have never had decent DVD releases with English sub-titles, this film (and especially it's choice of title) seems like a shameless attempt to cash-in on the ahem 'cachet' attached to the word Serbian.
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Old 21-11-2010, 11:50   #10
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Yes it is, and Spasojevic has never made any secret of this. He's fully aware of how difficult it is to get an international release for a Serbian film (unless you're an established talent like Emir Kusturica and Goran Paskaljevic, and even then it's by no means guaranteed), hence his none too subtle attempt at manufacturing controversy over the film's title as much as its content.

But notably unlike 'The Human Centipede' (which I thought was pretty worthless aside from the eye-catching premise), 'A Serbian Film' has a fair bit going for it once you're past that hurdle. I should probably also add, having seen a fair number of high-quality recent Serbian films myself, that I fully expected to hate it.
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I haven't seen this yet, was intrigued by it a few months back when Empire ran a small article on it amongst a larger one dealing with the amount of "shock" films coming soon, this was before the issue with the BBFC began. I'd be very interested in finding out if that rumour regarding the download was true as there's just something about being forced to watch a BBFC demanded cut that aggravates me.
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Old 25-11-2010, 23:26   #12
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No :-)
I asked about this at the Premier tonight and although it was looked at, "it started to get too complicated legally"

My view on this 18 Cert Version?

It's teeth are gone.
It has been neutered.
Still shocking to your average punter but a lot of the message that makes this film so serious is gone.
It had lost that power to give me a feeling of dread.
Some scenes, such as "The Grandma" and the "Teeth on the Floor" just jump cut and really don't even make sense anymore...shame.
When I spoke to the Director afterwards he is not very happy either but he has no choice.

I understand that this is a business though and they have to have it out in some form rather than not at all.

Thank God the rest if the world is not as repressed as we are.
This will probably be released on DVD/BD uncut with a 16 rating in France, Holland and Norway with an Unrated Uncut Version for the US.
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Also, ironically, the scene with the baby is arguably more disturbing in the BBFC-approved version, simply because you can only hear what's going on - and my imagination conjured up far more disturbing images than I eventually witnessed when I got hold of the full version.
Haven't seen the BBFC version but would agree with this anyway. I honestly felt nothing during that scene, not offended, not moved, not disgusted, mainly because I was distracted by the crap looking CGI baby, that for me takes a scene that could have been extremely disturbing and turns it into a naff looking gimmicky scene that at least in my opinion is purely there to try and shock, not really for any sort of artistic merit.

Like you say the thought of that happening and images of that conjured up in my own head are far more disturbing than that scene could ever be.

Maybe I'm slightly biased as I thought the film was **** poor anyway.
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turns it into a naff looking gimmicky scene that at least in my opinion is purely there to try and shock, not really for any sort of artistic merit.
But surely that's the whole point of the scene? Vukmir is showing it to Milos as an illustration of just how far Serbian pornographers are prepared to go - he certainly wasn't trying to make any kind of grand artistic statement, and neither was Spasojevic.

And for me it worked on an additional level, which is that Spasojevic is deliberately (albeit ultra-cynically) exploiting his country's notoriety - because Serbia has had such appalling press over the last twenty years, it's all too easy for those who've swallowed anti-Serb propaganda to believe that that's exactly the sort of thing they would do.
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Agree Michael, people just suck this stuff up at face value but there is a lot more going on with this film...

check this out...from the Director

http://www.aserbianfilm.co.uk/statement.html
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It would be great if this site could keep us Brits informed of the situation regarding releases of uncut versions of this film on DVD.

As far as I can tell, absolutely no publisher in any country likely to provide an English-friendly disc has dared to stick their neck out yet........
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Old 27-11-2010, 00:10   #17
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Thank God the rest if the world is not as repressed as we are.
I'm having a hard time believing that many people will perceive edited out infant rape as an indicating factor of a repressed society. There comes a point where a director has to take responsibility for the content they choose to shoot and include rather than whining about oppressive censorship while revelling in some perceived victim status.
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If you've seen this film Jimmyboy then you've seen the scenes "in context" and I'm happy to debate with you but if not then I decided a while back there is no point debating about something both people have not actually seen, as that's what Mary Whitehouse used to do.



Moving on...
Analogy Time:
This 18 Cert version is like watching a "DVD" it works well unless you've seen the Full version which in this analogy is a "Blu-Ray".

If you have then you won't go back but if you haven't then you'll be happy ...
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Agreed, very well made, but christ, tough going, especially that scene
On the contrary, I thought that scene was one of the least disturbing scenes in the film. Partly because I knew it was coming I guess (thanks to the forum's moral outrage brigade ) and partly because it's just really naffly done and could not for one moment be mistaken as real.

Several other scenes however had my ears sweating something rotten.
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Added info on the single extra that is listed for the DVD/BD - an intro from the director.
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