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Old 02-01-2018, 09:18   #321
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I just think they've left themselves far too much to do in the last film, unless it becomes a trilogy of five or something. Presumably they will come good in the end, and they're starting from nothing. Literally a few stragglers with one ship on a mountain, presumably they'll escape.

So they need to rebuild, I guess they'll do it lamely by having another fleet ready to go.

They've basically done what should have been the end, in the middle.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:19   #322
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I don't think I need to now, I don't see how they can fix what they've broken.
Allan, did you not feel this way with both prequel sequels? Is your disappointment with Last Jedi anywhere near the letdown of the prequels (especially I&II)?

I think I was so burnt by those films that my expectations were suitably lowered for III - which was marginally better than the first two - and that by the time 2005 had rocked around, I had really stopped caring about it like I had once done. Call it my Star Wars rite of passage.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:25   #323
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I was disappointed with the prequels but I suppose because they came first and didn't really alter the OT that much I wasn't that fussed about them. I could take them or leave them.

I rewatched 1 and 2 recently and while not great they're not quite as terrible as some make out. But like the OT they don't feel like a proper Star Wars film but I think the OT were that lightning in a bottle moment, everyone involved clearly the right age and at the top of their game.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:36   #324
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Natalie Portman had so little to do that she finally was allowed to be bored to tears in ROTS. Liam Neeson probably relieved to have been killed so he didn’t have to talk into a LadyShave anymore. Zero chemistry between McGregor and Christensen, like watching the worst buddy movie and its sequel. I’ve seen all four actors be better in better movies. And Jake Lloyd was better opposite Arnie in Jingle All the Way.

And then there’s Threepio’s CGI slapstick in AOTC and the unnecessary back story to Boba with Jango Fett going for mysterious but just coming off like a hustle, to paraphrase another disappointing sequel.

Johnson’s attempts at humour are far better than Lucas’s.

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Old 02-01-2018, 09:53   #325
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I can still sit and watch any of the prequels and still enjoy TPM, plenty of cool bits in it, and also it was a new SW film after two decades. The prequels certainly could have been better, the acting and script was woeful, I recall I laughed through the last 20 mins of ROTS, the dialogue was so poor.

Still it told a story that I had some interest in.

Very few people I know seem to have liked it, a couple of exceptions who loved it, a bit like the Transformers movie. Not really sure what the critics are thinking. Not really seen much explanation of why it is so brilliant.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:14   #326
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Perhaps another reason I felt the revelation about Rey's origin resonated so well was that it reminded me a lot of Taran Wanderer, the penultimate book in Lloyd Alexander's wonderful Prydain series.


TLJ does almost exactly the same, and it's so much more satisfying than finding out Rey is Obi Wan's illegitimate granddaughter or Palpatine's fifth cousin twice removed or whatever.

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Very few people I know seem to have liked it, a couple of exceptions who loved it, a bit like the Transformers movie. Not really sure what the critics are thinking. Not really seen much explanation of why it is so brilliant.
Well, there's a nice list of things that are great about it (which I found when looking to see what others have had to say about the Taran-Rey parallels) here.

I'd say that above all Episode 8 has good character work, some unusually great set-pieces (e.g. the first battle with Rose's sister's sacrifice, the throne room battle with Rey and Kylo against the praetorian guard, or the salt flat battle at the end), and some really cool storytelling that feels fresh in a Star Wars setting (the telepathic conferences between Kylo and Rey). And (generally speaking) good quips.

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Old 02-01-2018, 10:46   #327
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Well the Rey origin thing isn't in any way satisfying and I'm not one who is clammering to know that she's the lovechild of Palpatine. They made a big thing of her waiting for her parents to return, she had memories of them, etc.

But turns out her enemy says they were probably nobodies, so just forget them.

I read the list, I agree that those things were in the film, I just don't see that it makes the film great.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:52   #328
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It makes sense to me.

What kinda of parent is going to abandon their kid (who looked about 6) on a desert planet with some junk trader?

It would be more annoying if Luke Skywalker did that, as he would be the worst parent ever.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:06   #329
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I enjoyed it overall but found a few things took me out of the film. Rose’s sisters sacrifice meant little as I had no investment in the character, the whole battle felt a bit daft with the bombers too, it’s Star Wars, not the Battle of Britain. I didn’t like the casino and horse escape bit and Benicio del Toro’s character story line generally. The mutiny also grated and made Poe’s character look like an imbecile, which I felt he shouldn’t be.

That said, the throne room scene was epic and there was plenty enough good to leave me satisfied.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:00   #330
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Well the Rey origin thing isn't in any way satisfying and I'm not one who is clammering to know that she's the lovechild of Palpatine. They made a big thing of her waiting for her parents to return, she had memories of them, etc.
Star Wars made a big deal out of how Luke's father was this great hero who was murdered by Darth Vader, and Luke wanting to follow in his footsteps. So I guess the reveal in TESB wasn't satisfying either, since it didn't pay off the setup exactly as anticipated?

Satisfaction is subjective, of course, but Rey's origin subplot tells a coherent and meaningful story, provides Rey with a character arc, and has managed to confound the expectations of millions of fans while echoing elements of TESB, thus serving as an effective twist. It feels exactly right to me.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:05   #331
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Star Wars made a big deal out of how Luke's father was this great hero who was murdered by Darth Vader, and Luke wanting to follow in his footsteps. So I guess the reveal in TESB wasn't satisfying either, since it didn't pay off the setup exactly as anticipated?
Well it did....to a certain point of view
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We saw it over Christmas, and I left the cinema feeling a bit underwhelmed. Not bad, some good parts, but not brilliant. Bit disappointed really.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:25   #333
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We saw it over Christmas, and I left the cinema feeling a bit underwhelmed. Not bad, some good parts, but not brilliant. Bit disappointed really.
Exactly how I felt.
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I still think the fact I don't want to see it again tells me everything I need to know.
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Very few people I know seem to have liked it, a couple of exceptions who loved it, a bit like the Transformers movie. Not really sure what the critics are thinking. Not really seen much explanation of why it is so brilliant.
You are comparing it Transformers? Come off it. Anyway all the professional critics I rate have explained in great detail why they thought it was brilliant (or at least explained why they enjoyed it) in their reviews. You don't have to agree with them but you can't pretend that haven't made themselves clear.

For a counter point to yours, most of the people I know that saw it liked it or loved it. Only one person I know hated it but he's a miserable **** who hates everything popular because he thinks it makes him seem edgy. Dunkirk is the worst film ever according to him.

From my personal point of view, I liked it on first viewing with a number of reservations. However, a second viewing over Christmas I found it really clicked with me and I really had a great time as many of my reservations were resolved. I do think that the audience played a part in my enjoyment though. My first viewing was on opening day and most of the audience was po-faced people on their own who seemed scared to show any emotion but the second viewing was full of families and kids who were less self conscious and reacted to what they were watching.

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Satisfaction is subjective, of course, but Rey's origin subplot tells a coherent and meaningful story, provides Rey with a character arc, and has managed to confound the expectations of millions of fans while echoing elements of TESB, thus serving as an effective twist. It feels exactly right to me.
The way that revel was made could possibly mean it can be undone in IX. I mean, you only have Kylo's word on what happened, so they could easily say he's just manipulating her and it was all a lie.
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Comparing it to Transformers purely from the reaction, rather than a direct comparison of the films. I thought it was tediously dull, surprisingly so when it's giant robots fighting, whereas a couple of people I know rate it as the best film ever made.
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Comparing it to Transformers purely from the reaction, rather than a direct comparison of the films. I thought it was tediously dull, surprisingly so when it's giant robots fighting, whereas a couple of people I know rate it as the best film ever made.
Ah I see. Sorry I misread your point.
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Hated the prequels. I really enjoyed this and I’ll happily see it again. Not as engaging as Rogue One but still hugely entertaining.
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Isn’t this supposed to be a trilogy? Doesn’t that mean there should be strands of plotlines running through the story, to eventually be resolved in the final chapter? (until the next ones anyway…)

This is one of the biggest gripes I had…Compare to the original 3:

Okay, the original Star Wars set a lot of things up and perhaps Lucas wasn’t sure he’d be able to do sequels, but for ESB he’s got a coherent story going and he’s taken the characters to various places that then need to be resolved in ROTJ. Also, the importance of characters gradually increased towards the climax – e.g. I think there’s one line in the first movie about him dissolving the senate, then you see holograms or references to the Emperor in Empire, then he plays his role in ROTJ.. the character and his importance is built up through the series, so the climax actually MEANS something!

I assumed they’d do a similar thing to build the new characters, but In this one, any side mysteries have gone and the way they eliminate certain characters it makes you think they were an accident in the first place….none more so than Phasma and Snoke. There’s nowhere specifically for the remaining characters to go (other than start again), and the way the film chopped down the resistance to literally a handful of people just made the whole thing seem ludicrous to me.

If anything, the ending of this one would have better served the ending of this new trilogy to wipe the slate clean and take things forward.
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