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Old 11-09-2015, 13:04   #21
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Quite. Are we sure this doesn't do it? All I had to do with the old one was add the media into iTunes. That was a faff mind. Pointing Plex towards where it lives is much easier (and can include iTunes of course).

I'm confused at the product. I'm sure it will sell.
it does, but times have moved on. even my phone takes 4K video. My camera takes 60/50fps video. My final cut pro software edits in all those formats, but iTunes via apple tv is still stuck at 1080p on 24fps. (720P on my older apple tv 2)
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Old 11-09-2015, 13:19   #22
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yeh does seem odd about the whole 4k thing.

So apple announce their lovely new iphone that can do 4k, then they announce the thing you can play it on your 4k tv that won't do 4k.

It's one of the first times I've looked at the new apple tech and actually thought, no, you're clutching at straws this time.

Heck, even the most ardent apple fans I know were all a bit meh about the whole thing.
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Old 11-09-2015, 13:21   #23
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it does, but times have moved on. even my phone takes 4K video. My camera takes 60/50fps video. My final cut pro software edits in all those formats, but iTunes via apple tv is still stuck at 1080p on 24fps. (720P on my older apple tv 2)
Even more barmy is the new iPhone itself can record 4K video. That is something of s limitation of the new Apple TV can't playback that material as is rumoured.
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Old 11-09-2015, 14:44   #24
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Plus, not even the phone can play it back. Granted my S6 can't replay and 4k I take on screen but the Quad HD makes a good fist of it.

I dunno, sometimes I think Apple try deliberately to take a different path just to be Apple.
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Old 11-09-2015, 15:20   #25
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I use mainly Apple, but I certainly don't have the latest products, just don't need them or can afford them! Will be sticking with Apple TV 3rd gen, I think this new Apple TV is quite laughable - they are so far behind with stuff like an app store for adding stuff like iplayer that the keynote overblowness was funny, but for many it will be very very annoying..
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The kind of apps are what would sway me. The voice integration doesn't interest me one bit, as I feel like a bell-end talking to a bit of plastic, and have done since it emerged as tech. If I can get a 'Premier League Pass' app, and other similar useful apps, then I would consider it. It lives or dies on the apps, for me.
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Old 11-09-2015, 19:28   #27
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Premier League pass, Lou??
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Old 11-09-2015, 21:29   #30
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Premier League Pass - Here you go....

Been quite a while since I've been able to use that!
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:11   #31
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Sorry I generally didn't read that as a direct question for some reason. Yeah it's the official Premier League streaming partner for us New Zealand and Philippines dwellers. Let's me watch every Chelsea game, for my sins.
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Old 13-09-2015, 18:34   #32
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Looks like Plex will make it onto the new APple TV at some point;
http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/12/p...-new-apple-tv/
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/13/93...ng-to-apple-tv
http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/12/popula...-new-apple-tv/

Also, these two reckon there's no reason Kodi shouldn't be able to be made for Apple TV now there are apps. Bit of a long one but the Kodi chat starts at around 15 mins in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqu6rYML2_Y

Still think it's a shame they've not future proofed this model with 4K/HDMI 2.
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Kodi themselves said that it's unlikely to appear on iOS. Something to do with licensing.



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Boo, such a shame.
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New Apple TV

So Amazon Fire announce a new box for less than the Apple TV and supporting 4K and x265. I know 4K isn't very common yet but, as I said previously, x265 would have been a great step forward for normal HD too, and I think Apple have missed a good opportunity to start using a new codec there and to reduce their bandwidth whilst improving quality;

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/17/4k-fire-tv/

[quote]Folks with regular HDTVs can take advantage of the Fire TV's support of HEVC (high efficiency video coding) for higher quality 1080p streams at lower bit rates. Amazon says that HEVC is roughly two times more efficient than the standard h.264. If you live in an area where your streaming video quality is on par with an 8-bit video game, HEVC might help.[\quote]

Based on the x265 downloads I've tried half the file size for the same quality is conservative.
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I mentioned this in the Fire TV thread, but H.265 and 4K go hand in hand. Netflix already use the codec to provide their streams, and even then you need a very good connection for it to be feasible, so although you *can* encode 4K material using it's predecessor, it wouldn't be suited to streaming services. I *think* it will even be needed for Blu-ray and satellite for bandwidth reasons, so a device will have to support HEVC to genuinely claim to support 4K.

It's not 'magic' as a codec anyway. Apparently Netflix's 4K material doesn't even offer the quality of regular 1080p BD, from what I'm reading, because they are still having to compress the picture so much.
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I dont mean just for 4K though. HEVC can get the size of 720 and 1080 files down much smaller with equal quality, proving the device can handle it, so even for standard HD it could hugely reduce traffic from their servers.

I've noticed more and more Bly Ray rips being released on torrent/ Usenet sites in 1080p HEVC and they're a fair bit smaller than their x264 equivalents
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I don't think many devices can handle it though can they? It takes a pretty grunty PC even to play it back flawlessly, and hardware seems thin on the ground at the moment. In terms of these boxes, I think streaming is really what they focus on, but as you say, long-term it makes sense for companies like Netflix to change to a more efficient codec, but until there are enough players that support it, it makes no sense for them to change for 1080p material.
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Exactly why a company like Apple would be one of the few in a position to be able to help its take up with the numbers they'll sell and their popularity. If they'd have use a chip that was optimised for it (like Nvidia shield TV has and presumably the new Amazon TV will have) it could have very quickly become elk used
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Is there a breakdown of how people watch Netflix though? I'm betting Apple TV makes up a pretty small percentage.
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