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Old 12-01-2015, 09:37   #81
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Yeah I was very impressed with the play 1 I got for Xmas, so much so I went and bought another pretty much straight away.

Can see an expensive habit forming now though, gonna get the sub next and then the TV bar once my son is old enough to understand he's not to play with it.
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Old 12-01-2015, 11:26   #82
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Anyone with new bit of Sonos kit should register and sign up for a years free Deezer. It needs to be done by 14th Jan.
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I've got a Sonos 3 and a 5 so I'm invested in the system at the moment, but comign down the line is a more attractive propositon: Google Cast For Music.

http://www.techhive.com/article/2867...bandwagon.html

Denon are in from the launch, Sonos nowhere to be seen. As much as I love my speakers and the sound they produce, I can't get on with the Sonos software at all. I want to be able to send anything from my phone to the speaker, but I can only do it via the walled-garden of their software. So playing podcasts, for example, become a ridiculous chore when it should be straightforward.

Am thinking of getting rid and bidingmy time until the next gen stuff comes out - Sonos track record in getting things done in good time is very poor.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:26   #84
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I'm guessing you're on iOS.... you can already cast from the Google Music app to Sonos speakers on Android.

You're right though, it is annoying that you can't from the iOS apps (my wife has iPhone and we both have iPads), and it would be better if Sonos let you 'cast' from pretty much any audio source, on mobiles and desktop. They don't seem interested in DLNA....

Having said that, like Chromecast, having Google Cast receiving built in isn't that much different to it being a bluetooth speaker - I can already 'cast' music and podcasts to a normal bluetooth speaker without is needing to be 'Google Cast' supported.
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Old 12-01-2015, 20:35   #85
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...just bought my first Sonos Play 1, and I can see this getting expensive rather quickly - an amazing little piece of electronic architecture and worth every penny!

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Old 12-01-2015, 22:18   #86
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Thanks for confirming about stereo on one speaker. Now I'm tempted. Was going to get a £100 bluetooth speaker but may put in a bit extra for a Play 1.

However from the last couple of posts, it seems you can't stream anything to Sonos'? Does it work with Spotify?
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Old 13-01-2015, 05:10   #87
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Sonos works with most streaming services. If you're on iOS, you pretty much have to use the Sonos app to control what you play. I think the apps are pretty good, but they vary from service to service. If you're on Android, Google Music lets you stream directly to each speaker.

Spotify works fine with Sonos, but the integration is poor, apparently because Spotify aren't interested in developing in it (whilst they're trying to push Spotify Connect), and won't open up the API for Sonos to improve it. We have Spotify at the moment becuase my wife uses it on her mobile a lot, but we don't really use it through Sonos as I pay for Google Music, and I personally wouldn't recommend Spotify unless you also want it for a lot of mobile use.

If you're quick you may get a year free of Deezer. If not, and you're going to pay for a streaming service to use mostly on Sonos, I'd avoid Spotify and go with Google Music or Rdio. Both have much better integration with Sonos.

The Spotify app on Sonos only lets you search or access a few options like new releases (always full of mostly pop rubbish), top tracks (likewise) or your own playlists. You cannot access your own 'collection' or any radio stations. See below for the options in Spotify;


Google Music is much better. You can access your collection (which includes your user uploaded music), radio stations, genre stations, playlists, expore as well as search across all those;
Main options;

My library (collection);

Radio (auto adds any you listen to, via Sonos, app or website);

Explore;


As you can see, there are a lot more options with Google Music!

From what I remember, Rdio has similar to Google Music, but I'm not subscribing to that at the moment so can't give examples. I tried Beats for a month and from what I remember that was better than Spotify too, I quite liked it.

The great thing about Sonos is that you can easily access a lot of streaming services, free and paid, all from the one desktop or mobile app. Not everyone likes them, but I think they're pretty good, although I find I tend to use my laptop most of the time (as it's nearly always on). You can also add multiple users for some services, so for Spotify and Google Music you could add your account, your partner's account, etc (or use it as a way of adding multiple free Google Music accounts if you have more than 20,000 tracks to upload and wanting to dedicate one to, say, compilations). There aren't many services NOT on there. I also have my whole local collection sat on a NAS drive with the Sonos pointing to it, so it picks up all my own music collection.

With internet radio options as well, there aren't many services NOT on there.

Here's the desktop app - as you can see I've got quite a few streaming options added, plus there are more you can easily add with a few clicks;


And here's the mobile app (this is the iPad version, mobile is similar, just smaller);


You could get a bluetooth speaker instead, but that'll just be a 'dumb' receiver, and you'll have to do everything through a device - you do with Sonos, but they're all doing the same thing, unlike sending audio to a bluetooth speaker from your phone, tablet, laptop, etc.

The only thing it falls a little short on for me is podcasts. You can set easily use an app to auto-download podcasts to a folder Sonos looks at, but it won't remember what you've played or where you've paused it.

I recently bought a bluetooth speaker, a Boss Soundlink Colour, mostly for listening to Podcasts (plus it means I can move it around with me, which I can't with the Sonos, other than grouping rooms). For £100 (£120 in the UK I think) it sounds great and is portable, and I use the Pocketcasts app on my phone and iPad to manage podcasts.

If you listen to a lot of music at home, despite the little niggle, Sonos is brilliant, and you can add speakers/zones as you go, and it's easy to group speakers to play the same thing in multiple zones. The downside is that it starts to add up, and you find yourself things where you could put another speaker....!
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Old 13-01-2015, 10:10   #88
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I have a Play 1 my only gripe with it is that I cant use the software with YouTube when/if that happens
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I think what quite a few people really need is a bluetooth speaker setup, rather than Sonos.

Yes, the spotify integration is fairly basic, but its 90% of the music usage for me. Radio etc would be nice(r) but you can of course aggregate multiple music services very neatly.

I will raise a product request on the podcasts - are you meaning from the iOS app?
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Hang on - stereo through an (effectively) single speaker? That's not possible. It's downmixed to mono isn't it?
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Is that for me? Don't bother on my account. I now use Pocket Casts on my phone and ipad and they sync between them, so when I want to listen to one in the car my phone has the same played and pause points. I imagine it'd be a ball ache to set something up for Sonos as it'd need a log somewhere to record the save points for each podcast.

I'm preferring to use the bluetooth speaker for podcasts, sticking to the Sonos for music and live radio
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Hang on - stereo through an (effectively) single speaker? That's not possible. It's downmixed to mono isn't it?
There are two speakers for each channel in one housing.
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I googled that and came here to admit being wrong but you beat me to it
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I'm under NDA, but needless to say Sonos are working hard on improvements to hardware and software. Unlike a lot of companies though, they take their time so they are ready and hardened. It makes a huge difference.

I can honestly say they put as much effort into QA as a top 10 software company. I've logged a ticket for improved podcast support.
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I'm on the beta and can see improvements and work being done on the updates - not sure what you're doing but you've made me excited now! I hope I'm not disappointed!

From what I understand the Spotify issue is a Spotify API one and not Sonos, so unless they've been able to get Spotify to play ball I can't see that improving?
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I now own three of the Sonos Play 1 speakers and my home music listening experience has been transformed beyond my expectations...

...next purchase is the Playbar
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Its coming to decision time, between a £100 Denon Envaya Mini bluetooth speaker (getting some excellent reviews) and the Play 1.

Is it possible to 'stream anything' from a Mac or PC or am I stuck with whatever the Sonos app allows?

Yes Im primarily a Spotify user but sometimes I want to stream some specialist interest radio station which isn't on Tunein.
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I'm not sure that there is - it is one area Sonos falls short. If they implemented DLNA you should be able to send audio to it from pretty much any source, but they don't seem interested in doing that. A shame really.

If you have an Android phone you might be able to send it to a Sonos depending on what app you're accessing the specialist radio station from. I think the only other option is to record the stream and drop it in to a folder Sonos can see on your computer/network.
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Another negative to Spotify on Sonos - you can't thumbs up/down songs via Sonos. You can with Google Music, and I believe you can with Rdio and Beats too.

Something I use a lot to help 'shape' (ie, not get given crap I don't like!)

If you are going to going down the bluetooth speaker route I thoroughly recommend looking at the Bose Soundlink COlour I mentioned above. Just over £100, but kicks out a great sound for its size. Well worth adding to your shortlist and trying one out in a shop.
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I now own three of the Sonos Play 1 speakers and my home music listening experience has been transformed beyond my expectations...

...next purchase is the Playbar
I would love a playbar but £600 is just too pricey at present.
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