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Old 09-09-2009, 22:51   #61
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Should have shown him writing the numbers on the balls live beforehand at least.

Even if it is a legal requirement that the BBC are first to announce the lotto result, he wasn't giving the result only his prediction so that doesn't seem a valid reason to wait until after the draw?
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Did none of you impressed people groan when he said he couldn't actually say the numbers before the draw (complete with a rubbish "legally I can't announce it before the BBC" excuse)?

There are so many ways that he could have done that, it wouldn't surprise me if the way he "reveals" on Friday is a different method entirely.
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I'm sure my suggestion is what happened.
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The BBC has the rights to first broadcast of the lottery numbers.
That was his excuse for not revealing the numbers till after the draw. There's nothing stopping him showing the numbers prior to the draw as all it would have been is a genuine prediction rather than the magic trick we got.
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Old 09-09-2009, 22:54   #65
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We'll all watch on Friday to find out. I love Derren Brown, I don't care if his tricks are cons, he's such a bloody good showman.
he is indeed - always seems to be working too!
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Did none of you impressed people groan when he said he couldn't actually say the numbers before the draw (complete with a rubbish "legally I can't announce it before the BBC" excuse)?
Sure did, but still intrigued all the same

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There are so many ways that he could have done that, it wouldn't surprise me if the way he "reveals" on Friday is a different method entirely.
I expect the same thing. He'll only show you want he wants you to know, not what actually happened, as it may then scupper future "events"
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The whole "legally I can;t show the lottery numbers first" is what makes it a bit less real for me ... how can they be "the" lottery numbers before "the" lottery numbers have been drawn ?

Before the draw they are 5 random numbers scribbled on ping pong balls (or not as the case may be) by a guy - I can't see any problem with showing them in advance

"The" lottery numbers don't exist until the draw completes

Anyway - regardless of the fact that it is clearly a trick I agree that he is a fantastic showman...
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The reveal will be just as disappointing as the trick.

I haven't watched that much of Brown but he's nothing really special as regards a showman (Paul Daniels was better ). Maybe I need to see more of him.
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Would his balls be blank and perhaps when he was writing the numbers down on that pad somehow they were also being written on the row of balls
There was a clipboard being sold some time ago which essentaily enables wireless signals to be transmitted to a "recieving station". DB endorsed the product and then the endorsements dissapeared once it was found.

As soon as there is another step from teh numbers being read out you are pretty sure that is where the deception appears. Also check his handwriting. What he writes looks overly complicated for the numbers written down.

I don't believe camera tricks were involved at all. My best guesss is the board acitvated some kind os spray mechanisim within the stand. The stand looked very strange. And diversionay. "Let's make it look see through etc ".

It was pure showmanship. Layers of acting put on. I thik he will come out with a convoluted explanation on how he did it and I bet it won't be the board
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Did none of you impressed people groan when he said he couldn't actually say the numbers before the draw (complete with a rubbish "legally I can't announce it before the BBC" excuse)?

There are so many ways that he could have done that, it wouldn't surprise me if the way he "reveals" on Friday is a different method entirely.
Well, statto maybe offering your prediction as to how he's done it and if on Friday you turn out to be correct we can all marvel at your wonderfulness.
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Next up he will be flying like Superman, but really its just a CGI effect and editing when he reveals it, bland con work like this is just not entertainment at all.
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It's all misdirection anyway, he said that's what these "events" are about. Just enjoy the showmanship you miserable lot and be glad there is someone who still bothers to try stuff like this on this kind of scale!
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Did anyone bother to flick channels to check it?

As to how it was done.. why couldn't they turn the TV on till a certain time.... Note the wording, the BBC has the rights to first broadcast of the lottery numbers.
In that case he must have been sure that he was going to get them right because if he had any doubt then he would ...

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I've lost my point ...
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Next up he will be flying like Superman, but really its just a CGI effect and editing when he reveals it, bland con work like this is just not entertainment at all.
And yet you watched it
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As I say I don't watch much of DB, but I know exactly how I would pull off that trick and presume it's what he's done.
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As I say I don't watch much of DB, but I know exactly how I would pull off that trick and presume it's what he's done.
Personaly I don't think he would do something like that. Its too tacky and anyone can do it.
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I'm going for a light transmitted up the tube* to display the numbers right after the draw

After all, The Event (thing on Friday) was recorded at the Science museum !

*Disclaimer : I have no idea if this is possible.
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Personaly I don't think he would do something like that. Its too tacky and anyone can do it.

But no one has done it, until now.

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Old 09-09-2009, 23:08   #79
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Would his balls be blank and perhaps when he was writing the numbers down on that pad somehow they were also being written on the row of balls


Mayyyybbbee.. though it seems unlikely. He moves them and they look solid. I thought the box they were in might have had a mirror on the front and the balls were actually below, so they could be moved.. but that doesn't look the case when he rotates the box. Maybe they are expensive wireless OLED displays! That'd do it.
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Well, statto maybe offering your prediction as to how he's done it and if on Friday you turn out to be correct we can all marvel at your wonderfulness.
Most obvious method: Camera trick.
Another method: Trick balls (maybe chemically reacting as another person types the numbers as they're drawn).
Yet another method: Trick stand (casting/spraying image onto the balls).

As I said previously though, I would be willing to bet that the way he did it isn't the way he'll be revealing Friday.
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