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Old 10-03-2009, 10:31   #41
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I keep wanting to like things like this and the Sony e-Reader but every time I try I fail. Offer me a real book with this as an added extra for say 50p-£1 and I'll consider it.

Pros:
I can carry lots of books in a small oackage
I can download new stuff to it.

Cons:
Reflections
High cost to own
DRM, try reading one of "your" books in 30 years, let along 60 or so
Easy to break (I've yet to break a book by dropping it)
You cant change the battery

But the killer for me is that it has no light. Okay I understand the technology and why a light isn't needed but the one thing I can't do with a normal book that I'd like to be able to is read it in the dark. Thats it, for me other than that one thing books are perfect.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:00   #42
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It would be nice if it had a backlight and you would have thought they'd include that in these things.

Reflections are apparently not an issue due to the technology
Amazon have a drop test on their website, we know it's controlled but it's still dropabble
The battery thing is an issue cause in the first one you could change the battery

I like the idea of authors publishing their books on the interweb, you don't need distribution then, the interweb is availible to the worllllld.... I'd like to know I'm keeping Amber Benson in twinkies
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:08   #43
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Reflections are apparently not an issue due to the technology
Amazon have a drop test on their website, we know it's controlled but it's still dropabble
The battery thing is an issue cause in the first one you could change the battery
I read a few of the 95 one star reviews on amazon, the complaints were dominated by; reflections, particularly if you sit under a light (as you would with a book); breaking easy, there were a couple of reports of them breaking from ~5" drops; the battery; and authors/publishers refusing permission for the Kindle to read their text aloud.

I did spend a while using a Dell Axim to read in the dark, but finding a digital version of specific novels got to be too much of a nuisance.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:13   #44
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I do find that Amazon 1 star reviews tend to be written by complete lunatics though.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:16   #45
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lol I love the 1 star reviews on amazon, they can be so creative.

Although Amazon does say that the voice thing will only work if the author has the rights enabled on the ebook... besides who wants to hear hawking reading to ya as you drift off to never never land?
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:29   #46
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besides who wants to hear hawking reading to ya as you drift off to never never land?
Might be kinda funny with the latest Jackie Colins.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:34   #47
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Classic *rushes round work with his kindle* Listen to this!!! Listen to this....
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:47   #48
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The world of Amazon reviews is an amazing one:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2X2TB3...cm_cr_rdp_perm

Right now the issue is the cost of the technology. Yeah you might drop one, it might have issues with reflections, etc. but these are all just hazards of the technology. You might drop your phone, it can be hard to see the digital display of your camera in bright light but if the benefits overall are better then you live with it.

As to ebooks, the kindle and its ilk are going to start to have issues really taking off when most phones are looking like the iPhone. While electronic paper is cool, if I can also have the book on my iphone and use that to read it on the daily commute then that'll be the first choice in most cases.
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:22   #49
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Well people are loving the Iphone App as it does pick up where you left off on both devices so you can swap between the two and always be on the same page as the other device
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:16   #50
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Most 'artists' don't get paid. The kid in a local band, the ageing hippy at the folk club, the members of the district art club, the lonely poet. Maybe they sell a painting once a year or get a free beer. But most people create art for nothing. Heck, who paid J K Rowling to write Potter?

I've always been happy to monetarily recompense people whose work I enjoy and admire. But the irony is the work that's affected me the deepest and has stayed with me is more often than not that which has been created when money has not been a major issue in its creation: the band's first album, the author's first book, etc.

Long term career artists are often more about the industry that surrounds them than real artistic longevity.
Yes there's a lot of validity in that.

However, I must admit that all my years sitting in a lonely room writing for no audience the idea that I could one day be successful and make a lot of money with it was enticing, even though the prospects were remote.

It's the same kind of motivation that makes people buy lottery tickets.

I was about the 60 somethingth biggest selling author by revenue in the UK last year (perhaps higher by sales becuase kids books are the cheapest) , according to Neilsen Bookscan. The only hostility about my success I've encountered is from a couple of fellow writers who would tell you to that they're not commercial or interested in money, but are clearly mad jealous and would just love a taste for themselves.
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Okaaay so been looking into other devices and rumours of the apple tablet are heating up as apparently a truck load of books have been delivered to Apple headquarters to start scanning some tech folks reckon, beginning the Itune Ebook library. 10" screens made by the same folks who make the iphone screen have been ordered now too... ooo errrr...

What concerns me is Amazon have their own library and Apple having their own library which I can see becoming "Exclusive to Kindle" or "Exclusive to Apple Ebook" which is worrying as you can see titles you want being on both devices but since you only own the one device you have to settle and hope for the best.

BeBook2 has also been confirmed as having a wireless connection which is prolly safer than Kindle Whisperwhusit here in the UK.
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apparently a truck load of books have been delivered to Apple headquarters to start scanning
WTF? That's gotta be rubbish, hasn't it? Aren't all books printed from a digital 'master' so surely you'd just get that sent directly?
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:57   #53
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WTF? That's gotta be rubbish, hasn't it? Aren't all books printed from a digital 'master' so surely you'd just get that sent directly?

Depends on the age of the book!
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Depends on the age of the book!
Well unless they're starting with antique books I'd imagine the publisher would have been first to scan in their own material and from an easier source than the book itself, but hey ho...
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If they were wanting to launch with a shedload of public domain material, surely most of the legwork is already done? I don't think they need to go to the bother of scanning in the King James when it's already freely available in a digital format.
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I dunno how they do it... :P Maybe they're making sure all the selections are grade A

Mind you apple would prolly use a colour screen rather than Eink, they are kinda backwards but I do see the point of why would they do it that way? :P
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Well unless they're starting with antique books I'd imagine the publisher would have been first to scan in their own material and from an easier source than the book itself, but hey ho...
Antique! I'd lay money that it's not so long ago that books weren't delivered electronically to the publishers. Maybe Bollecks knows.
In fact looking on line I see stuff from as recently as 2001 talking about manuscript formatting and the type of paper you should use to submit them to publishers.
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Antique! I'd lay money that it's not so long ago that books weren't delivered electronically to the publishers. Maybe Bollecks knows.
In fact looking on line I see stuff from as recently as 2001 talking about manuscript formatting and the type of paper you should use to submit them to publishers.
Is that the final edited draft? And what you're saying assumes that each page of the book is manually typeset, does it not? I mean my point is that the way things are made these days I find it weird to imagine any book gets from a submitted (and fully edited manuscript) to the bound, printed book without first becoming digitally encoded. Maybe I just like technology too much.
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I can't imagine that a firm like Apple would do the work themselves, there are many specialist companies involved in digitising documents (lots of firms use them to digitise old company reports etc.) that would prove far more cost effective than having lots of software developers scanning in pages themselves.

Perhaps it was just a literary program for Apple staff?
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WTF? That's gotta be rubbish, hasn't it? Aren't all books printed from a digital 'master' so surely you'd just get that sent directly?
I imagined some bloke sitting in Apple HQ reading books aloud whilst his mate typed it all in to a computer.

You're telling me there's better technology out there?
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