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Old 17-12-2010, 12:42   #821
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well we could say we had a full driving licence, which would be true. But it doesn't cover HGV vans does it? so in fact

A LIE AND WE ARE FULL OF ***********

stuart did show he had at least far more entrepreneurial ability than anyone else, he had set up companies when 18 and ran them, thats far more impressive than Chris "i got a degree and then worked at a bank".

so harsh he was sacked, for so little reason.

(i had no idea Joanna was 25, i assumed far older and she did fall apart in interviews, she kept harping on that she was a cleaner, rather than run a cleaning company, so suddenly she went from (in my mind) someone who ran an actual company, employing others, to someone who had a couple of cleaning jobs. Thats like saying I run a mystery shopping company, when its just me working a few different jobs.
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Old 17-12-2010, 12:55   #822
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so harsh he was sacked, for so little reason.
But he should have been sacked for being a complete and utter **** though.

He got off lightly only being sacked for a technicality.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:00   #823
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on whose basis?

isn't Alan sugar also a complete and utter *********** as well?

its either all for tv entertainment (in which case we need brash people for entertainment and we should applaud their ability to entertain us)

or its a proper interview process, which is marred by crap tests and legally dubious interview techniques and random firings, for a crap job at the end.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:15   #824
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on whose basis?

isn't Alan sugar also a complete and utter *********** as well?

its either all for tv entertainment (in which case we need brash people for entertainment and we should applaud their ability to entertain us)

or its a proper interview process, which is marred by crap tests and legally dubious interview techniques and random firings, for a crap job at the end.
The Apprentice is as much about finding a high quality candidate to work in business as the X-Factor is about discovering musical talent.

It's ALL entertainment now. I think the first few series were excellent and relatively genuine though.

IIRC, last year's winner was found to have exaggerated / lied on his application, and yet Baggs is sacked for a far lesser offence.

Oh, and Alan Sugar is also a bit a nasty piece of work. And don't get me started on Viglen products.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:22   #825
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yep, I agree,

The US one is far better, in terms of finding a credible candidate to work in a pretty good job for the Trump organisation. yes, its entertainment but it also its far more realistic and generally Trump makes good decisions.

well bar the 2nd celeb apprentice winner

will we remember Baggs the brand in a year? probably. will we remember Joanna that much? or Liz (nice enough but most people could sell that baby gro thing to a baby website)
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:27   #826
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The US one is far better, in terms of finding a credible candidate to work in a pretty good job for the Trump organisation. yes, its entertainment but it also its far more realistic and generally Trump makes good decisions.
Yep. The final 2 of the current US version were both excellent.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:31   #827
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Perhaps it's time Big Al was given the boot and they found a new bazillionaire figurehead for the show. One without idiot Viglen friends.

Who still buys Viglen computers anyway.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:38   #828
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Is the american version on UK tv? I've never seen it to compare.
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:40   #829
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Is the american version on UK tv? I've never seen it to compare.
Some early series were, not seen one for a while though.

The later US series have all been "celeb" ones which I didn't like, because they just seem to turn into "who's got the richest friends on the other end of the telephone". Didn't bother with the very latest US one.

The recent-ish New Zealand one was alright, it was all on youtube for a while.
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SO what reason did he give for firing Liz (and Baggs) last night then on thr "why I fired them" show?
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Old 17-12-2010, 13:58   #831
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Some early series were, not seen one for a while though.

The later US series have all been "celeb" ones which I didn't like, because they just seem to turn into "who's got the richest friends on the other end of the telephone". Didn't bother with the very latest US one.

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the latest one is back to normal people. was good.

Didn't see the last celeb one as i didn't know any of the celebs (bar sharon osborne who i dispise!) the 1st one with piers morgan and lennox lewis/one of the baldwin brothers was excellent.
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funny how everyone forgets that last 10 weeks or so of baggs because the interviewer mistakenly said the wrong word.
Baggs was full of BS. "everything i touch turns to sold" - yet he never sold well.
Ignoring the entertainment element he probably was kept in over Liz as he might have a "spark" by how good his company is.
But it turns out he was blagging that a bit as well.
also i bet there is loads of other BS on the cutting floor which wasnt put in.

Baggs was a running joke until one interviewer mistakenly said protocol and sugar saw through him and dumped him big. now people thought he was a genius who should win it

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Can't remember the exact context of the conversation - but if the guy had said 'provider' instead of 'protocol', would his point against Baggs still have stood?

If so I'll take the fact that every now and again someone can muck a word up, it's still different to implying you have a stronger licence than you do and taking ages to back down.

If not, and it actually backs up Baggs' argument, then he was hard done by.
It's more that the guy was arguing a very specific industry technicality: that "fully licensed telecommunications provider" is a specific industry phrase that means having a full license to provide all sorts of telecomms. Baggs provided just internet hook-ups, and was fully licensed for that, which is what he meant. Borden was arguing that using those precise words was misleading, as in the telecomms industry they mean something specific and something more.

Now, I'd have taken that at face value - Borden works in the tech industry and should know about these things. I can see Baggs' point, that he was just trying to make himself sound better and didn't realise the precise meaning of those words, but he should have known better. But then Borden gets the meaning of ISP wrong and says some stuff that shows he knows nothing about telecomms, so you then have to question if what he's picking up Baggs on is valid at all.
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Old 17-12-2010, 15:17   #834
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funny how everyone forgets that last 10 weeks or so of baggs because the interviewer mistakenly said the wrong word.
Baggs was full of BS. "everything i touch turns to sold" - yet he never sold well.
Ignoring the entertainment element he probably was kept in over Liz as he might have a "spark" by how good his company is.
But it turns out he was blagging that a bit as well.
also i bet there is loads of other BS on the cutting floor which wasnt put in.

Baggs was a running joke until one interviewer mistakenly said protocol and sugar saw through him and dumped him big. now people thought he was a genius who should win it
No one has forgotten the last ten weeks, everyone here agrees he should have gone weeks ago. The point is that in this particular task he didn't deserve to go based on what we saw. It's all very well talking about what's on the cutting room floor, but it presumably wasn't as TV-worthy as the minor technicality which Bordon picked him up on, which itself is subject to doubt due to Bordon's cock-up with protocol. If he can get that wrong then maybe he can get the telecom thing wrong too.
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Old 17-12-2010, 15:19   #835
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I did have some sympathy for the manner of Stuart's firing. It did seem a complete change of opinion by Sugar from previous weeks. It was a very minor point to pick up on by Borden IMO. They must trawl through their CVs and try to catch them out - I was thinking 'is that the best you could do?' at the time...

Stuart was a complete (ball)Bagg but he did contribute to three of my favourite Apprentice moments:

1. The invisible calculator in the boardroom early on.
2. '**** off down there you fat ****' - Chris to Stuart in the bus tours task.
3. The 'field of ponies' speech.
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Old 17-12-2010, 16:26   #836
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The funniest line in the show was when Claude Littner said to Baggs,"You’re not a big fish! You’re not even a fish!”
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I didnt get whether Baggs' previous comment was a mistake ? He said he was a big fish in a small pond, surely he meant to say the opposite ?
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I didnt get whether Baggs' previous comment was a mistake ? He said he was a big fish in a small pond, surely he meant to say the opposite ?
No, he meant that he was the director of a company, but not a particularly famous or prestigious one (the metaphorical small pond).

If he'd got even a minor job with one of Sugar's companies he'd be a small fish in a big pond.
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funny how everyone forgets that last 10 weeks or so of baggs because the interviewer mistakenly said the wrong word.
Baggs was full of BS. "everything i touch turns to sold" - yet he never sold well.
Ignoring the entertainment element he probably was kept in over Liz as he might have a "spark" by how good his company is.
But it turns out he was blagging that a bit as well.
also i bet there is loads of other BS on the cutting floor which wasnt put in.

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but he wasn't blagging about his company? as far as we know it does have a £3m turnover and it does make a profit

sure, he should have gone on some past tasks (though others were usually worse and he therefore probably should have gone over pricing on the tour bus task) but he shouldn't have gone on the interviews.

Didn't they all say after the interviews that he was technically the best and he had some spark? rather than dull but competent chris/stella?
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Is she just a cleaner, or does she run a proper business (albeit small)? If it's the latter then her not knowing about balance sheets is pretty shocking.
In the early shows they stated she "owned a cleaning company" but this week she was a "contract cleaner". I guess she's just a self employed cleaner who pays an accountant to file her tax return.

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