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Old 07-01-2005, 12:40   #41
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There is already a very long thread about HD in the hardware forum http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/s...0&page=1&pp=20

Almost everything that is being discussed here is in that thread apart from the list of titles.
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Old 07-01-2005, 13:11   #42
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No one was ever convinced by laserdisc in big numbers. And the advantages were plain to see (albeit with irksome idiosyncracies).
It was the inital price which the general public didn't accept. Joe Blogg is not going to spend 100 quid on the Star Wars trilogy.
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Oh God... it will be "When is Star Wars coming out on HD-DVD?" time again won't it!
Lucas wasn't even going to release it on DVD anyway as he wanted to release it only on HD-DVD. With all the pressure to release on DVD he ended up rush-releasing a sub-par set on DVD that still needs some work (especially on Episode IV), not that they're crap, but they're not as good as they should have been.
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Old 07-01-2005, 13:19   #44
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My stance is that I will buy the player and a few discs to put through my projector to really show it off. I will then tend to buy HD when new films come out and buy some classics, but no way am i replacing my 100's of DVDs that would be just too much
I'm sure that's the approach most of us here will take - after all, just because I have a couple of SACDs in my collection doesn't mean I'm going to ditch my thousand odd CDs. And like DVD-A and SACD, the next HD format is not going to be seen as a major step up that Joe Public will be interested in; I expect they will simply slowly replace SD setups and media as new hardware (all backward compatible) and firmware appear in the market.

Getting back to the list - surprising that the LOTR trilogy is not on the New Line list!
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I feel like I've gone back in time when I received the original press releases for the first R2 DVDs!

That and watching R1 Contact and The Fugitive through a projector before the first R2 discs had even landed.



My personal view, I won't leap to upgrade this time around. Because, unlike with VHS, I'll be happy to keep DVDs of titles I like. I will be upgrading for titles that I love.

Will be interesting to see what marketing techniques manage to move titles between the catagory of like and love
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From the HTF:

Paramount just announced 21 HD-DVD titles for Q4 '05:

http://www.mysan.de/international/article21498.html

BLACK RAIN
Can we have an anamorphic DVD first please Paramount?

I only have a 32" TV at the moment so I am not likely to go HD untill I upgrade. For me it’s not like the leap VHS was to DVD. My VHS collection was mostly pan and scan, badly cut and took up way to much shelf space. I could not wait to replace it; I don’t feel that way about DVD yet...
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Remember the big hoopla that was made about alternate angles back in the early days of DVD? It will indeed be interesting to see what the PR monkeys dream up this time round.
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Old 07-01-2005, 14:26   #48
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I'm quite ******** off about this whole HD-DVD thing...having already shelled out a load to convert my best titles to DVD from VHS, I am now expected to do the same again to HD-DVD, then probably again in 2-3 years for the next format. Complete con.
Unless you have a really impressive home cinema setup with a projector that puts a picture on your whole living room wall, HD isn't really necessary. Are you happy enough with the resolution of your current DVDs? If so, you can keep them -- they will all play on HD DVD players.

After maybe two years, once HD DVD players are affordable and shop shelves are filled with HD titles, you will be required to buy a HD player to play new films. So your DVD collection will eventually be a mixture of old regular-def discs and new hi-def releases. That's all.
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BluRay is Betamax all over again
So, its the higher quality of two?
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BSkyB’s HDTV set-top decoder will be equipped with an HDMI (High-bandwidth Digital Multimedia Interface) as its primary means of connecting to an HD display.HDMI can also be connected to DVI equipped displays using a suitable adapter cable. It should be noted, however, that as most HDTV content will be protected by HDCP (High Definition Content Protection), most HDTV content will only be capable of being viewed via display devices which support HDCP carried over HDMI or DVI.
Does this mean that the projectors/plasmas bought now with 'only' dvi (I asume that they are without HDCP?) wont be able to display HD-TV and/or Blur-Ray/HD-DVD??
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Worth pointing out that normal DVDs when upscaled to Hi-Def show a bit more detail than they do on standard displays. So it's not all doom and gloom.
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(in reference to disney)They've gone for BluRay.
which is why i'm glad about the announcement about HD, as i'm purposely avoiding disney and their companies its mainly because of miramaxe, the company that hates movies.

and re: the sky question, yes. non HDCP tv's will not be able to view sky HD.
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I think a few things need pointing out here:

1) No one is making anyone upgrade, I certainly will not upgrade my whole collection just a few here and there like Star Wars and LOTR. Stuff like American Pie or Rush Hour I am happy to own on standard DVD.

2) Remember that whatever format you chose your existing DVD collection will be playable on the HD-DVD/Bluray machines.

3) There is every likely hood that Universal machines will appear as they have done with DVD-A and SACD hopefully killing the format war

4) Just because these studios (with the exception of WB) are releasing films on HD-DVD does not mean they will not release them on Bluray, if Bluray sells it would be sill to ignore that market, however as Sony own three major studios so unless Bluray does spectacularly bad don’t expect to see their own titles on HD-DVD.

5) While the uptake of HD will not be anywhere near as fast as DVD it is likely with the hype Sony, HD-DVD camp and SKY will help get the message out there and slowly over time this will become the dominate format.
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and re: the sky question, yes. non HDCP tv's will not be able to view sky HD.
If the same is the case with hd-dvd/blue-ray then all 'early adapters' that have an 'HD ready' (res-wise) tv/projector will not be able to use them. That is one huge bump in the road for hd...
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The HDCP compliant format is a SKY choice and nothing to do with HD-DVD or Bluray I would imagine they would have both component and DVI plus several analogue outputs
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So, its the higher quality of two?
That old chestnut again

Nah, it's got more capacity, that's all
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indeed, and sky aren't the only HD source out there. there's already several HD channels broadcast in europe ( http://www.euro1080.tv if you haven't seen it) and they work fine. in all honesty, as usual sky are just being arses. i can understand refusing to release a CAM for videocrypt, but HDCP? to protect *what* exactly? what exactly do sky show thats so damn special!? sports i can understand, but why should any protection system differ to what we have now, and.. well thats about it. virtually everything that'll be shown on sky HD will have been available on american tv before.. and yes, they're starting to implement HDCP but not everyone is. i doubt anybody will be upset they can't cap Britains Worst Pubs now.

when considering a potential specialist market, you don't go and snub a large percentage of those who are likely to uptake it!
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i can understand refusing to release a CAM for videocrypt, but HDCP? to protect *what* exactly? what exactly do sky show thats so damn special!? sports i can understand, but why should any protection system differ to what we have now, and.. well thats about it. virtually everything that'll be shown on sky HD will have been available on american tv before.. and yes, they're starting to implement HDCP but not everyone is. i doubt anybody will be upset they can't cap Britains Worst Pubs now.
Surely it's to stop people copying pay-per-view movies, just as they currently have protections in Sky+ that prevent you viewing such movies beyond a particular date, and why they use Macrovision on analogue outputs for those movies?

Plus there's a fair betting that Hollywood have insisted they use it.
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virtually everything that'll be shown on sky HD will have been available on american tv before.. and yes, they're starting to implement HDCP but not everyone is
So you would prefer it if SKY started by not having this and then implementing this at a latter stage causing you to upgrade again? As you pointing out the US are already doing it, it would only be a matter of time before SKY had to do it in future. Copyright protection is something Hollywood takes very seriously, I don’t think they would want HD like quality copies of their films floating around or copies of shows that can be sold in boxsets, protecting IP is of paramount importance to the studios.
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I can see this being an incremental upgrade for myself. Like others, I've spent a lot already on my equipment and library of discs. But I have no hopes of it being anything but an enthusiasts market for years to come.

Imagine Joe Public going into Dixons in a year to get a new DVD player. "How about a new HD (or Blueray) player, Sir. It's like being at the Cinema". JP "But you said that about my last DVD player? What's different about it?" "Well, it has a far higher resolution picture, Sir". JP "eh?". "It looks much nicer, see this demo". JP "Ok, how much then, I quite fancy it". "£300 and it's yours". JP "Done". "Now, Sir, what TV would you like to go with it?". JP "Eh, I need a new telly as well? Stuff that!".

DVD, like CD, is good enough for the public. Can't see it changing soon.
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