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Old 09-10-2019, 18:53   #1
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I am about to splurge out of 2 complete Home Cinema systems as we move into our Sussex penthouse. Since they are generally good value and offer those extended warranties, I was going buy/order all of it from good old John Lewis. The entire kit should be worth around £5000 and the most expensive is the Samsung QE55Q90RATXXU 55” Smart 4K Ultra HD TV retailing at around £1999 at present.

After completing the order and before signing on the dotted line, I want to ask them if they'll upgrade my Samsung TV to the 65" job at no extra cost. D'you think I'll succeed?
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Old 09-10-2019, 19:23   #2
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No, but you can’t lose by asking
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Old 09-10-2019, 23:08   #3
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They might be prepared to knock something off, not sure. I'd guess they don't give their staff that autonomy anymore. Can you get a different quote from someone else? They're never knowingly undersold and pretty good at changing the price. So then you've at least got the cheaper price and a decent warranty.
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Check out Richer sounds for comparison prices. They also do 5/6 years warranty on a lot of items.

If you're not in a rush you'll probably save a fair bit on or over Black Friday. This years TV's are still at their most expensive and will start getting discounted after Black Friday and more and more until new TV's come out May-July next year.
For example, I bought a £2899 launch priced Sony for £1150 just as it was being discontinued in June.

Last Years LG B9 OLED can be picked up for £1699 in 65" and I'd argue that's possibly a better TV if you're after picture quality.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:03   #5
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Check out Richer sounds for comparison prices. They also do 5/6 years warranty on a lot of items.

If you're not in a rush you'll probably save a fair bit on or over Black Friday. This years TV's are still at their most expensive and will start getting discounted after Black Friday and more and more until new TV's come out May-July next year.
For example, I bought a £2899 launch priced Sony for £1150 just as it was being discontinued in June.

Last Years LG B9 OLED can be picked up for £1699 in 65" and I'd argue that's possibly a better TV if you're after picture quality.
Thanks. 29th November comes about the right time for me and so I guess that I can wait till then. Will also check Richer Sounds; years ago they used to help with installation if one bought a lot of stuff from them but not sure if they do that any more.

About the choice of Samsung QLED; I was going to couple it with the Samsung Q90R soundbar and rear speakers. I thought I read that there is eARC facility between them?
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John Lewis will price-match up to 28 days after the date of purchase so you can always buy a couple of weeks before the Black Friday frenzy and put in a price match request if you see any better deals. Sometimes that's the better option as stock levels can deplete fast during the sales.

I don't think they discounted much at all last year on the top-end QLEDs.

re: Q90R - my understanding is the soundbar supports eARC (via a firmware update) but the TV does not. They sell some of the most expensive TVs on the market, but they're tight gits with features. They still don't support Dolby Vision and since 2018 they don't even support DTS passthrough via optical or ARC. It's all speculation of course but the generally accepted reason is they don't want to pay the fees involved.
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I checked. Richer Sounds are in the same price range as John Lewis and offer 6 year warranties () on stuff bought from them. When we move to Bexhill, the nearest RR will be either Tonbridge Wells or Brighton and I could pop over and discuss options. They might even offer to come and install, which they used to once upon a time.

With regard to Samsung vs LG TVs, I have seen similarly specked screens in showrooms and prefer Samsung. The other point, although I concede that this is rather individual, is that every Samsung product that we have bought thus far has given excellent service.
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Have you looked at an OLED though?

QLED from Samsung is just a marketing gimmick and is really just a LED TV with a filter. The one benefit they have is brightness.

OLED from LG is a newer technology that although not as bright, has much better definition, no blooming, better dark handling etc.
LG normal LED TV's are generally quite poor.
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OLED has the superior blacks. That's why I bought one over QLED.
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I assume you've seen the "claim 50% cashback on soundbars when purchased with selected TVs" offer Samsung have. Good reason to buy before 5th Nov when the offer ends.

Richer Sounds often have codes running. TV75 currently takes off £75 on TVs over £1k. TV150 takes off £150 on TVs over £2k.
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Have you looked at an OLED though?

QLED from Samsung is just a marketing gimmick and is really just a LED TV with a filter. The one benefit they have is brightness.

OLED from LG is a newer technology that although not as bright, has much better definition, no blooming, better dark handling etc.
LG normal LED TV's are generally quite poor.
OK. But I am leaning heavily towards the Samsung HW-Q90R soundbar. Will the LG OLED TV's match-up as well as Samsung's QLED with it?

LG really have no equivalent surround sound system AFAIK. Their SL10YG is modest reviews by comparison with HW-90R and they (LG) have no rear speaker package like Samsung.
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It should all work over ARC.

The only thing to do is to plug your HD audio sources into the bar as if you do it through the TV it will only be basic 5.1

I don't know how many souces the Samsung soundbar can take, this is another area where soundbars are compromised over a separate AVR and speakers.
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It should all work over ARC.

The only thing to do is to plug your HD audio sources into the bar as if you do it through the TV it will only be basic 5.1

I don't know how many souces the Samsung soundbar can take, this is another area where soundbars are compromised over a separate AVR and speakers.
I intend to, thanks. The Samsung HW-Q90R has 2 HDMI input and an HDMI (arc) out terminal. Then one Optical input.

I intent to plug the 4K BD player (probably Panasonic DMP-UB900) and the Sky Q box into the HDMI inputs; only the old "worked on by MRM" Panasonic BDT130 direct to TV while the audio goes into the Optical of the soundbar. The BDT130 is for Criterion and other Region A locked BDs of which I have quite a few.

Getting back to the TV option, it seems like a straight choice between Samsung QE55Q90RATXXU 55” Smart 4K Ultra HD TV OR LG OLED55E9PLA 55" Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR OLED TV
If you guys say the LG is that much better, I can go for that but if Samsung are offering that discount before 5th November, I might be able to afford the 65" QLED. Not sure which choice is better.

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Check if Vincent has done a review of what you want to buy.. guy knows his stuff.

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/
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My soundbar is Samsung, connected to an LG OLED via optical. All works very well and sounds no different to when I had my Samsung LED connected to it (via wireless link).
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As has been said QLED is a marketing gimmick. If I were upgrading now it would be OLED and either Panasonic or LG who seem to be the market leaders currently for screen quality.
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OK, thanks people. I looked at the LG OLED range and thought a bit about what you are all saying. The E9 range seems 'better' than the C9 only because of the former's superior audio output, which is irrelevant if I am plugging everything into the HW-90R Soundbar. The 65" LG OLED C9 is only £300 more than the Samsung 55" QLED and come Black Friday the prices might drop. If the LG works just as well with the Samsung Sounbar as the latter company's own TV, I'll get the LG.
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As you've discovered the C9, E9, and also the much more expensive W9 all feature identical panels / picture processing. The only differences are the sound systems and the designs which get progressively better and more luxurious.

The C9 comes in two variants - model numbers end in either PLA (sold at John Lewis, Richer Sounds etc.) or MLB (exclusive to Currys). The only difference is the stand.

There's also the B9 which features the same panel but an older processor, though it still reviews very well.

They all feature HDMI 2.1 which means eARC by default so if anything they'll work better with / make more use of the Samsung Q90R soundbar than Samsung's own TVs.

I would also go with an OLED, though I do think the Q90R QLED has its merits (mainly as a bright room TV).
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There's a £125 gift card with selected electrical here:

https://www.johnlewis.com/customer-s...81&tmcampid=48

Plenty of OLED and QLEDs in there. Yours might be if you check through.
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I do think the Q90R QLED has its merits (mainly as a bright room TV).
I have read about this a few times on the web. We tend to watch TV is a low light, no-reflections sort of room. In the penthouse that we have bought, the previous owner has installed a handy, lightweight pull-down shutter over the only window that reflects light on the relevant wall. That should help.
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