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Old 10-05-2007, 02:37   #1
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Lost 3x20 - The Man Behind the Curtain - SPOILERS!

Well, not quite the revelatory episode we were hoping for, but lots of interest, and that ending......! And now we've got some retrospective interest injected in the "Hurley's Van" episode....

So how come neither Doug "Tooms" Hutchison or Richard Alpert have aged a day since being on the island, but Ben and his dad did? All part of these mysterious healing properties? Also, it seems that after all his "being a man of his word", Ben turns out to be a big lying git all along. I do hope we haven't seen the last of Dharma and we do actually get to find out what the hell they were really doing on the island (besides the whole Valenzetti equation thing)...

So its all uphill to the finale then. How many more must die?????
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Starts with someone running in a jungle - Check
Hurley says dude - Check.

The whole Ben/Locke dynamic is brilliant, Jacob... well I thought it was an Urn he was refering too, rather than an empty chair.

The whole idea I had that Ben knew that Juliette would betray him and work with the cast against the Others was half-dismissed this episode when he appeared to have no idea about the whereabouts of the recording of that tape - maybe it's a backup plan knowing that Locke would give it to Sawyer to warn them....

Locke punching Russian Patch, brilliant. (It wasn't a leathal dose folks).

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Old 10-05-2007, 06:05   #3
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Great episode!

I thought Jacob would turn out to be the rabbit. Am wondering how Ben turned out to be running the show when Richard's still around?
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WTF Jacob?

There was someone there. If you freeze frame. Who or what I don't know.

Good episode. We finally know what happened to DHARMA. Great ending.
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WTF Jacob?

There was someone there. If you freeze frame. Who or what I don't know.

Good episode. We finally know what happened to DHARMA. Great ending.
If you freeze frame it looks like

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If you freeze frame it looks like

If I was a betting man I would say that.

* Jacob is an entity of some type with telekinetic abilities.
* Jacob projects around the island using the ash ( smoke monster ).
* Jacob can make people see things.

So either he is showing people what they want to see ( Jack's dad, Kate's horse, etc ) or he is all physical as smoke monster, or a combination of both.

To what end I don't know.

Edit: Is this why Walt was so important? Did he have the same abilities as Jacob?

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Just had an epiphany. The ash Locke picked up? What if that's dormant smoke monster?

Whatever Jacob is it moved things about, telekinetically? Then why not the ash?
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I just thought it was gunpowder
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I just thought it was gunpowder
Could be...
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Locke's dead??!?!?
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Locke's dead??!?!?
Got a feeling he won't be. Probably use his mircaulous healing powers
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Or is Jacob a manifestation of Ben's, in the same way that Locke saw his mother, Jack saw his dad, etc...
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Christ, if they've killed off Locke as well, there really isn't much left for me here!

Regardless, I thought it was a fascinating episode, quite a bit about Dharma was clarified, and we finally got to meet Jacob. Sort of.

My girlfriend hit the nail on the head with Jacob I think. Ben was clearly surprised that Locke couldn't see him. Perhaps it relates to the rite of passage Ben was talking about a couple of episodes ago? And as Locke did not actually kill his father, he could not see him.
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Oh and about the Ash. It's just from the Volcano surely? It was even mentioned in the episode that a Volcano errupted many years before. I don't think you should read into it too much.

Oh and I forgot, Ben's nod to Richard about not getting older.

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another excellent episode

I've really enjoyed lost since the 2nd half of the season started.
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Oh and about the Ash. It's just from the Volcano surely? It was even mentioned in the episode that a Volcano errupted many years before. I don't think you should read into it too much.
The ash looked like it was in a neat line though, like a big circle around the creepy Jacob house, to keep him in there, like in The Skeleton Key and various voodoo films? He didn't like the torch light much did he!

My phone bleeped during the Creepy Jacob House Scene and actually made me jump - it was pretty well done!

Yes you definitely see someone (with hair) sitting in the chair for about 5 frames just after Ben says "you've had your fun" and gets thrown backwards.

I'd also like to know how come Ben is the boss man and not never-aging Richard! As usual for Lost the episode asked more questions than it answered

"Help Me" ... so Lost is a Ghost story now

Nice to find out that supposedly throwaway character "Roger the Work Man" character from the supposedly random "Hurley finds a van" episode was actually Ben's dad! Wonder if they planned that all along or adjusted the story line when the viewers went mad about how filler-ish the "Hurley finds a van" episode was! Either way ...
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I'm starting to subscribe to the theory that the Others may be descendants of the crew of the Black Rock - or even the actual crew themselves. Jacob (whatever he is) is obviously very old and to be scared of something like a torch...Whetever mysterious powers the island (or is it just Jacob?) has it seems to have kept the Others alive for a long time. Perhaps they're terrified of whatever powers he does have and by surrounding his house by some kind of gunpowder type substance they have the ability to blow the place up if necessary....

Since the Black Rock was a ship owned by one of Hanso's ancestors, it surely wasn't coincidence that Hanso ends up sending Dharma to the very island the boat ended up on in order to take advantage of its particular "properties"...Having said that, I think with the whole four toed statue and totem pole-type things we're meant to think that there's been a civilisation there a lot longer than 150 years or so....

Dunno, i had it all straight in my head this morning and now it's gone....shouldn't have stayed up so late....
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Since the Black Rock was a ship owned by one of Hanso's ancestors, it surely wasn't coincidence that Hanso ends up sending Dharma to the very island the boat ended up on in order to take advantage of its particular "properties"...Having said that, I think with the whole four toed statue and totem pole-type things we're meant to think that there's been a civilisation there a lot longer than 150 years or so....
Where did the ancestors bit come from...? I don't remember any reference?

Great episode...loving Lost again!
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Where did the ancestors bit come from...? I don't remember any reference?

Great episode...loving Lost again!
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The Black Rock was owned and run by the British trading group the New World Sea Traders and was one of the three slaving ships the company ran. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, indicating the New World Sea Traders operated in the black market.

The New World Sea Traders was owned and operated by Magnus Hanso, a former ship's captain who became a business entrepreneur. While no direct ownership has been stated, it is known that the Black Rock sailed out of slip 23 in Portsmouth docks and Hanso's trading group managed slips 18 though 27. [1]

The Black Rock disappeared in 1881, on a return voyage from a gold mining operation in the South Indian Ocean. Perhaps more interesting than the fact the ship was lost were the circumstances preceding and following its disappearance. According to traders on Papua New Guinea, the ship sailed away from port in an Easterly direction, rather than West to Africa, where it would exchange gold from the mines in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea for more slaves. According to the ship's manifest that was discovered, the Black Rock initially sailed from (and was supposed to return to) slip 23 in Portsmouth, Britain -- but no shipping company claimed ownership. A crew of some 40 men, along with an uncounted number of slaves, was presumably lost at sea.[2] Magnus Hanso was known to still have a hands-on passion for the sea and insisted on captaining several voyages every year. It is likely that he was captaining the Black Rock himself when the ship disappeared, based on the note on the blast door map.

The sale of the company in 1882 to the East Ocean Trade Group saw the remainder of the New World Sea Traders slaving and military vessels converted to legitimate trading ships. In the 1950s, the Hanso Group purchased the East Ocean Trade Group, and renamed it to the Allied Copenhagen Marine Merchants. (Rachel Blake Copenhagen 02)
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Are they following true to the Lost map? I've gotten 'Lost' and confused:

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