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Old 05-08-2015, 20:53   #981
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Glad I rolled back to 8.1 as my work places Citrix/remote connection does not support Windows 10 (especially as there is another tube strike tomorrow)

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Install the new version of Citrix Receiver.... ?

http://www.citrix.com/go/receiver.html
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Old 05-08-2015, 21:31   #982
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Well this is a bit annoying, got back off holiday and today got around to checking if my machines had got the update.

The W7 laptop I don't use much got it straight away, but my desktop which I use all the time is still waiting!
What mjr said, download the media creation tool and choose to install immediately. Given that it had already downloaded on my pc and failed an install attempt (missing files in the download) without sight of an email. Though I've had to do a second install as the first one left me without access to my nas drives due to mangled network files that fouled up the netbios functionality used to id the drives.
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You may recall, my views on the new EDGE browser, which I'm still using, and sticking with, despite going back to Chrome would be an easy option, and much quicker to use. But I'm TRYING

One of my complaints was the waste of space for the favourites/bookmarks, so spaced out on a desktop screen, well seems not just me, and we have an official answer for the time being:


Jim134 asked on August 3, 2015See post history

The 2 line favorites take up too much space. I believe it could be toggled off in IE8 . Any way to do it in Edge?



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Thank you for contacting Microsoft Community. Your interest in Windows 10 is much appreciated.

There is not option to change the 2 line favorites to just 1 line in Edge Browser.

Hope this information was helpful and do let us know if you need further assistance. We will be glad to assist.



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Not what I had hoped to hear, but thank you for your reply. Maybe it can be added in a future update of features.


Oh well, let's hope it's something they sort out soon.
Does may me wonder about designers/programmers etc.
One presumes they must have nice PC's to work on, BIG screens, getting the look and feel right, and of course, having meetings about it all.

At no point did anyone say "This is all very spaced out on our screens"

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Old 05-08-2015, 21:54   #984
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You may recall, my views on the new EDGE browser, which I'm still using, and sticking with, despite going back to Chrome would be an easy option, and much quicker to use. But I'm TRYING

One of my complaints was the waste of space for the favourites/bookmarks, so spaced out on a desktop screen, well seems not just me, and we have an official answer for the time being:


Jim134 asked on August 3, 2015See post history

The 2 line favorites take up too much space. I believe it could be toggled off in IE8 . Any way to do it in Edge?



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Thank you for contacting Microsoft Community. Your interest in Windows 10 is much appreciated.

There is not option to change the 2 line favorites to just 1 line in Edge Browser.

Hope this information was helpful and do let us know if you need further assistance. We will be glad to assist.



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Not what I had hoped to hear, but thank you for your reply. Maybe it can be added in a future update of features.


Oh well, let's hope it's something they sort out soon.
Does may me wonder about designers/programmers etc.
One presumes they must have nice PC's to work on, BIG screens, getting the look and feel right, and of course, having meetings about it all.

At no point did anyone say "This is all very spaced out on our screens"

Official lines of support from such companies is universally abysmal. You simply can not have a conservation with anything approaching a human being any more. It's always a generic response which isn't helpful.. then they ask if that was helpful.

As for the massive spacing.. it's the new 'design language' everything seems to have these days. As little on screen at once with as much scrolling as possible. Android is almost ruined by it. At least on the gmail website you can change to compact or 'high density'. On my phone I can see a total of 5 emails at once on a 1080p resolution screen. It's maddening.

Books and general blocks of text has been 'high density' or 'correct density' for millennia.. now apparently it's a problem... or everything is now designed for the elderly??
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What mjr said, download the media creation tool and choose to install immediately. Given that it had already downloaded on my pc and failed an install attempt (missing files in the download) without sight of an email. Though I've had to do a second install as the first one left me without access to my nas drives due to mangled network files that fouled up the netbios functionality used to id the drives.
Thanks.

I'm sure this has been covered earlier in the thread, or could be found with some googling, but would forcing it this way still enable the 'upgrade' option? I want to try that and see how everything works before needing to go to a clean install. I've got a pretty busy summer and don't fancy having to reinstall all my programs again.
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Old 05-08-2015, 22:00   #986
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Official lines of support from such companies is universally abysmal. You simply can not have a conservation with anything approaching a human being any more. It's always a generic response which isn't helpful.. then they ask if that was helpful.

As for the massive spacing.. it's the new 'design language' everything seems to have these days. As little on screen at once with as much scrolling as possible. Android is almost ruined by it. At least on the gmail website you can change to compact or 'high density'. On my phone I can see a total of 5 emails at once on a 1080p resolution screen. It's maddening.

Books and general blocks of text has been 'high density' or 'correct density' for millennia.. now apparently it's a problem... or everything is now designed for the elderly??
As I said previously....
I do "get it" with the new double spacing for small touch screen laptops and tablets. It makes perfect sense not to cram everything together when you have to use a finger tip on say a 10" or 12" screen.
I'm more than happy with the logic here.

The question is, why is there not the blindingly obvious option (in settings) to select a much closer spacing for large screen desktop users.
As they say, such a thing ain't rocket science, and the design team MUST of noticed this, and someone said we need it to be different for the desktop/mouse user.

As EDGE is brand new, I do of course hope that, this will be sorted out, as there must now be a ton of people giving them feedback about obvious issues such as this one.
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Thanks.

I'm sure this has been covered earlier in the thread, or could be found with some googling, but would forcing it this way still enable the 'upgrade' option? I want to try that and see how everything works before needing to go to a clean install. I've got a pretty busy summer and don't fancy having to reinstall all my programs again.
It will tell you what it's going to keep during the process, so it will confirm that it's doing an upgrade. Just make sure you have done the reservation on the PC, to make sure you get the upgrade license and activation - doesn't matter then that the install comes via this tool.

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As EDGE is brand new, I do of course hope that, this will be sorted out, as there must now be a ton of people giving them feedback about obvious issues such as this one.
There is an app called Feedback installed in Windows 10 - that will probably get better attention from the right people than their forums, where the "official" responses mostly exist of boilerplate responses.

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Old 05-08-2015, 22:15   #988
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If W8.1 was activated, just skip the requests for the new code. I got a couple when I did it but the install finished OK

It is activated, but there's no option to skip putting in a code. You either put one on or cancel the install.
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Old 05-08-2015, 22:16   #989
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There should be an app called Feedback installed in Windows 10 - that will probably get better attention from the right people than their forums, where the "official" responses mostly exist of boilerplate responses.
Ok, done that.
I know my voice is just one insignificant one in millions, but if enough people use the EDGE feedback option and ask for a "options switch" in EDGE's settings to change from the current double spacing, to single spacing, then perhaps they may do it.
So the more people the more chance I guess.
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There is an app called Feedback installed in Windows 10 - that will probably get better attention from the right people than their forums, where the "official" responses mostly exist of boilerplate responses.
There is.. it's on the insider builds.

I left feedback in October last year on an early build and it was the highest up-voted feedback on the entire W10 feedback system until last month or so.



I think it's now at 3000 ish votes.

They have marked it as 'acknowledged' as well. As, in MS have seen it and taken action.

So you can make a difference people.

Just not by emailing any of the bots that answer questions and talk to you like you an idiot.
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It is activated, but there's no option to skip putting in a code. You either put one on or cancel the install.
There is, it's just not obvious, it doesn't look like a button, it's just a tiny bit of text on the left of the screen saying Do this Later. Click there.

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Old 06-08-2015, 05:16   #992
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That's good feedback. Device manager in particular. I realised just how old that is on my Dell XPS 13. It has a small hi-res screen so uses scaling and Device Manager looks absolutely awful on it unlike most of the Windows UI which scales fine.
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I've thought that for years and years, Never understood why they never made the more back end stuff more up to date, even it's the dam icons with a bit of UI modernising, just the "visuals" of if.

They fiddle/tweak/adjust the front end, and do pretty much nothing to the icons and look just a few clicks away.

I mean, how many billion do they have they they can't pay a couple of graphics designers to remake icons for their main item they make "Windows"
Ok, I know getting icons "in place" may require a little work, but over many years and with their money, you'd think they'd try.
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My biggest complaint about 10 is the half arsed approach Microsoft have taken. The settings window should be all or nothing. As it is every so often you still have to go into control panel to do things. Either get rid of control panel and have everything in settings or get rid of settings and return to control panel.

It stinks of 10 being released half done.
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My biggest complaint about 10 is the half arsed approach Microsoft have taken. The settings window should be all or nothing. As it is every so often you still have to go into control panel to do things. Either get rid of control panel and have everything in settings or get rid of settings and return to control panel.

It stinks of 10 being released half done.
Setting a Date to start or release something before its all finished/Tested/agreed and all signed off is never a good idea.

Everytime I watch the advert,I just want to puke...
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Indeed.

Also if you try and use the system image backup/restore it's a complete mess as well, a mixture of old and new. The restore USB it creates also makes you click through pages of available languages rather than just a drop down list like Windows 7 (not sure if this is a 10 specific thing though or if 8/8.1 was the same?).
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I'm hating the inconsistant scrolling. For example, 2 finger scrolling works in webbrowsers but doesn't work in any of the settings menus. Annoying!
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Maybe MS are thinking if people complain then they can say..'Well its Free,what did you expect'
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There is.. it's on the insider builds.

I left feedback in October last year on an early build and it was the highest up-voted feedback on the entire W10 feedback system until last month or so.



I think it's now at 3000 ish votes.

They have marked it as 'acknowledged' as well. As, in MS have seen it and taken action.

So you can make a difference people.

Just not by emailing any of the bots that answer questions and talk to you like you an idiot.
That was you I remember reading that when I was browsing the feedback app.

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My biggest complaint about 10 is the half arsed approach Microsoft have taken. The settings window should be all or nothing. As it is every so often you still have to go into control panel to do things. Either get rid of control panel and have everything in settings or get rid of settings and return to control panel.

It stinks of 10 being released half done.
They will eventually migrate everything, it is much better then the situation we had with Win 8. For regular users everything is in the settings menu. It is just a question of resources and time.

If they held it back until everything was done it would probably have taken years. They have a nice stable foundation to work on, and unlike previously where you would get a SP once a year you will now get updates a few times a year.

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I'm hating the inconsistant scrolling. For example, 2 finger scrolling works in webbrowsers but doesn't work in any of the settings menus. Annoying!
On my laptop I can scroll using 2 fingers pretty much anywhere including the settings menu.
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My biggest complaint about 10 is the half arsed approach Microsoft have taken. The settings window should be all or nothing. As it is every so often you still have to go into control panel to do things. Either get rid of control panel and have everything in settings or get rid of settings and return to control panel.

It stinks of 10 being released half done.
Did you have 8? It was the same. But less so. If 10's control panel is half done - 8 was quarter done. Seems to be something they're taking a long term view over.
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