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Old 08-01-2006, 13:30   #21
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I've got 2 x Russ Andrews power cables and I could hear an improvement when I fitted them. Same with speaker cable. Same with interconnects.

The improvement in minimal but it is there.

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I've got 2 x Russ Andrews power cables and I could hear an improvement when I fitted them. Same with speaker cable. Same with interconnects.

The improvement in minimal but it is there.
What equipment have you got, and have you ever done a blind test?
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I've got 2 x Russ Andrews power cables and I could hear an improvement when I fitted them. Same with speaker cable. Same with interconnects.

The improvement in minimal but it is there.
Call me cynical if you like but isn't it a case of having spent a few quid and you want it to sound better to justify your purchase?
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Call me cynical if you like but isn't it a case of having spent a few quid and you want it to sound better to justify your purchase?
I'm not suggesting for a minute that this is entirely the case for Boozyuzi, but it certainly was for me for many years. The point I really lost faith was about 10 years ago when HiFi News reviewed a £500 DAC (made by Orelle). The reviewer at the time praised it as the finest digital component he had heard and established it as his reference. Foolishly I bought it blind. I connected it to my trusty Philips player and not only could I not hear any improvement, I couldn't hear any difference. I rang the manufacturer to ask, They sent me a silver cable (literally silver) to try. No difference. I borrowed a "high end" transport. Same result.

I think had the component only cost me £100, I'd have been taken in. But since it was a month's take home pay, I just couldn't live with myself. I sold it on to some other fool.

So there you go. I can't even tell the difference between cheapo Philips CD players and state of the art. It hasn't stopped me experimenting and spending more money though. Only now have I recently bought a component (an American made DAC) that I believe has made a reasonable improvement to my system. But even then I don't think under blind conditions I could tell 100% of the time whether I was listening to that or what I had before.

And we're not talking about a cheapo system I have here. New retail price of my headphones would be over a grand, £1500 for my speakers and similar amount for my amp.

My own conclusion pretty hard line these days. I know my hearing is OK. I used to kid myself I could distinguish between mp3 and CD. Now I know I can't. There have been blind controlled tests of compressed audio and cables running on a couple of hifi forums I visit, and they all reach the same conclusion - noone can tell the difference. What a surprise tha manufacturers never take part in these challenges!

I just think the technology, design and manufacturing of these products has reached a point where state of the art, quite literally, can be achieved at almost pocket money prices. So when I say I can't tell the difference between a Philips and state of the art, the truth is, that Philips was the state of the art.

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Don't forget some super ultra mega high end hi-fi owners have little stands to keep their speaker cables off the floor, thus isolating them from harsh and evil degredations of something or other...

I'm not kidding:



Mmm, porcelain cable stands...
http://www.oregondv.com/High_End_Spe...ccessories.htm

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I heartily recommend having a look at the Audiphile Candy Catalogue.

Shun Mook on p24 are my personal favourites.

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i love these threads


i once came across an exotic separates system for sale online - i cant remember the full price of the system or the make but i do remember that the remote control cost £900.

£900




my hifi system is as follows:

toshiba sd900cd/dvd player, arcam alpha 10 amp, arcam alpha 10p amp, monitor audio studio 20se speakers.

whem i upgraded my speaker cable from some van den hul £13 per metre cable to the audioquest midnight cable (at £40 per metre) there was a huge improvement in sound quality.


(here some more ammo for you)

my whole system is on mana stands, including the speakers.


any comments
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my whole system is on mana stands, including the speakers.
Oh God. Mana. Don't get me started I wish I could post pictures here.

Have a look here

I recall us dicussing it before and reckon his stands cost about £7k.
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What equipment have you got, and have you ever done a blind test?
I've got Cyrus CD7 (soon to be upgraded with Q7 Dac), Cyrus PreX/PSX-R, 2 x Cyrus Mono X's and B&W Nautilus 805 speakers. Chord Chorus interconnects and Chord Odyssey4 speaker cable. Russ Andrews Klassic power cords on the Cd player and the pre amp.

It's not easy to do blind testing in the house but as it means swapping a lot of gear over. I do know that whenever I upgrade I hear little improvements and discover new sounds on discs that I have owned for nearly 20 years.

The next thing after the Q7 Dac is fitted is to have the clock in the CD player tweaked with a Trichord Clock4 clock which should smooth the occasional slight harshness in the sound caused by the metal tweeters in the speakers.

http://www.trichordresearch.com/cdupgrades.html
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It's not easy to do blind testing in the house but as it means swapping a lot of gear over. I do know that whenever I upgrade I hear little improvements and discover new sounds on discs that I have owned for nearly 20 years.
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This kind of kit is a study human gullibility.

Keiron raises a number of interesting points about someone who has had something of an audiophile epiphany and realised it's mostly cobblers. Fair play to you

I've long marvelled at the human minds ability to delude intself in many ways, music being one of them.

MP3 and CD are a prime recent example, the fact that most people couldn't tell the difference between vinyl and CD let alone MP3 didn't seem to sway anyone
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Or is it that you're listening just that little bit harder?....
I probably do to start with but it's still great when you stick a disc on months later and it stops you in your tracks.

BTW - My system would cost around £6k brand new but I've picked it up for around £4k by buying through ebay, hi-fi forums and sales in the shops. I keep my gear in perfect condition - keep the boxes etc' - and I reckon I could get most of my money back through ebay + I get the pleasure of listening to it and enjoying it.
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Oh God. Mana. Don't get me started I wish I could post pictures here.

Have a look here

I recall us dicussing it before and reckon his stands cost about £7k.
Love the pics from the user called Herman, all those stacked racks and he's put them in front of a radiator!!!
well, I suppose that helps to warm the sound < boom tish >
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I use mains cable as speaker cable for one of my systems, and the sound is just as good as my other with £10 a metre cables. Maybe more expensive cables wold sound better....but more discs to listen to is far more fun way of spending money.
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I use mains cable as speaker cable for one of my systems, and the sound is just as good as my other with £10 a metre cables. Maybe more expensive cables wold sound better....but more discs to listen to is far more fun way of spending money.
Reminds me of the Quad story - original page on newscientist.com doesn't seem to exist any more (this was a few years back), but here's the text I found in Google Groups:

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"We cannot comment on whether these cables really do make music sound better,
because none of the exhibitors offered a controlled blind test - switching the
same music between cheap and expensive cables without the listener knowing
which was which.

But now that the show is over, we can reveal a secret.

One of the most popular demonstrations at the show was staged by British
company Quad, to mark 50 years of making its world-famous hi-fi equipment.
Recording engineer Tony Faulkner demonstrated Quad's latest loudspeakers. He
explained how he used them to monitor the sound while making a recording of
Saint-Saens's complete works for piano and orchestra, which recently won the
coveted Record of the Year award from Gramophone magazine.

As hi-fi buffs enthused over the sound, we spotted that the speakers were
connected by some orange wires that looked strangely familiar.

"Yes, they would look familiar if you have a garden", Faulkner told us.
"Before the show opened we went over the road to the DIY superstore and bought
one of those 20(pounds) extension leads that Black & Decker sells for electric
hedge-cutters. They are made from good, thick copper wire, look nice and
sound good to me. The show's been running for three days and no one in the
audience has noticed".
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Most manufacturers don't believe in high end cables in my experience. If you ever go to the shows, it's worth having a chat with them.

AVI really do go to extremes though, their section on their website is well worth a read. There is an experiment with kettle leads, and I quote:

Initial results were inconclusive. While subjectively the time for the kettle to boil seemed extended, checking time from switch-on to automatic cut-out (this latter a boon to the serious experimenter) with a chronograph showed no change. Substitution of an electromechanical Porsche Design IWC chronograph for the mechanical Omega Speedmaster (the first –and only – watch worn on the Moon) gave the same result. The delayed boil – even if only a subjective impression – must however be considered a disadvantage.

Moving on to the main object of this research, additional apparatus was installed. Most experiments used a solid silver tea-pot (London hall-mark, unknown maker, 1934) and leaf tea (Assam or Lapsang Soochong, Fortnum & Mason) with Tetley’s tea bags brewed in a mug (Esso garage, special offer) as a control. Earl Grey tea was considered but rejected as the scent and flavour of the oil of Bergamot, which forms part of the recipe, might mask subtle changes, and I don’t like it anyway.


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That's a pee-take, surely.
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That's a pee-take, surely.
Well, obviously! To be honest, although I agree with them, I'd have thought a manufacturer making their position so clear on this won't help their sales with some audiophools.
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Nearly forgot this one:

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESmisc/GLOBcable.php
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To be honest, so much guff is written about cables that could have been a genuine article!
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