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Old 14-06-2011, 08:16   #741
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The most gripping hour of television I've seen in a couple of years. Utterly fantastic.
It's a pity that Ned's fate, although not the circumstances, was spoiled earlier in this thread but it was still jaw-dropping.
I too wish that we could have seen a bit of the battle but I guess that budgetary restraints mean that large amounts of extras and special effects are out of the question. Maybe, if this season is a success, season two will have a bigger budget and more battles.
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Old 14-06-2011, 08:32   #742
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The most gripping hour of television I've seen in a couple of years. Utterly fantastic.
It's a pity that Ned's fate, although not the circumstances, was spoiled earlier in this thread but it was still jaw-dropping.
I too wish that we could have seen a bit of the battle but I guess that budgetary restraints mean that large amounts of extras and special effects are out of the question. Maybe, if this season is a success, season two will have a bigger budget and more battles.
Same thing happened with HBO's Rome. No battles in season 1, but upped the budget in season 2 for some more action.
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Old 14-06-2011, 08:47   #743
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No, Arya does see Ned at the end in the book, that chapter is even written from her perspective, and Yoren grabs her and stops her seeing as in the series. Although there's no indication that Ned see's her in the crowd, if that's what you're refering to.
Yes.

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Old 14-06-2011, 08:50   #744
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That was sooooooooooo aweeeeeesome!!!!I have a fear that pretty boy lanister is not long for this world once word reaches enemy camps
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Old 14-06-2011, 09:00   #745
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I really wish I could have forgotten the books for that episode.
Might have to read them again now though.
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Old 14-06-2011, 09:52   #746
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Sure, I understood that. What I was trying to get at is, why did he need to actually send the 2,000 men. The diversion had already been set, the miss-information had been given to Tywin, by the spy, and he was waiting for Robb. Sending any men would have been a useless gesture because as soon as they were insight of Tywin, a recount would have immediately highlighted the ruse.
That isn't so clear in the show, basically you have the Lannister host ransacking the Riverlands (the Tully family lands) in response to Tyrion's capture. Robb forms an army in response to Ned's capture and approaches the Riverlands from the North, so naturally Tywin's gonna place scouts all over the Riverlands on the lookout for the Northern host. Meanwhile Jaime is besieging Riverrun (Tully family home) in the North of the Riverlands, with Tywin approaching from the South with the main Lannister host.

The reason Robb needed to send at least 2,000 men south to engage Tywin was twofold: First to fool the scouts into thinking the main Northern host was approaching, because with time being an important factor the scouts would see those 2,000 men, assume it was a vanguard and immediately report to Tywin of Robb's approach. Secondly, he needed a large enough force to tie up the main Lannister host in battle to ensure they didn't make it to Riverrun in time to bolster Jaime's forces.

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Old 14-06-2011, 09:53   #747
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Only one more episode to go

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Old 14-06-2011, 12:18   #748
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The reaction of people who haven't read the books vs. those who have to what happened in last night's Game of Thrones:

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Old 14-06-2011, 13:19   #749
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Guessing here. Armies take several hours to prepare to be in fully battle ready on the day of battle. So any scouts looking for Robb's army would need to report in as soon as they seen a sizeable force. Robb's command must have calculated that 2,000 men would be enough to get the scouts to stop looking and report in. If there was no 2,000 men the scouts would have discovered Robb had changed direction, alerted Tywin who could then have help Jamie.
The 2000 men should have been ordered to retreat as soon as the fight starts. Their mission of diverting Tywin was accomplished anyway.
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What an episode! As others have said, probably the best hour television ever. That ending was right up there with the "holy *******" endings of some Breaking Bad episodes had on me.
It's just a shame we didn't get to see the one battle and instead got that fairly pointless drinking game encounter/filler with Tyrion and the whore.

As much as I want too, I think I'm going to avoid the books. During the last few shots I was like there's no way they are going to actually do it!

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Old 14-06-2011, 14:51   #751
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that Joffrey is a right ****.
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Old 14-06-2011, 15:12   #752
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The 2000 men should have been ordered to retreat as soon as the fight starts. Their mission of diverting Tywin was accomplished anyway.
If the 2000 did that then Tywin would have immediately marched to Jaime's aid at Riverrun and Robb's plan could have backfired.

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The reaction of people who haven't read the books vs. those who have to what happened in last night's Game of Thrones:

perfect!
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Old 14-06-2011, 17:57   #754
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That was sooooooooooo aweeeeeesome!!!!I have a fear that pretty boy lanister is not long for this world once word reaches enemy camps
But the Lannisters have Sansa and Arya.
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Old 14-06-2011, 18:15   #755
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They dont have Arya.
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Old 14-06-2011, 18:34   #756
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They dont have Arya.
and they can keep Sansa
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The reason Robb needed to send at least 2,000 men south to engage Tywin was twofold: First to fool the scouts into thinking the main Northern host was approaching, because with time being an important factor the scouts would see those 2,000 men, assume it was a vanguard and immediately report to Tywin of Robb's approach. Secondly, he needed a large enough force to tie up the main Lannister host in battle to ensure they didn't make it to Riverrun in time to bolster Jaime's forces.
Your second point, holding them up and preventing them from reinforcing Jamie makes most sense. I just couldn't help thinking it was an almighty waste of life, unecessarily made, when it would have been just as effective to infiltrate the scout network and continually feed miss-information.

The scouts still did a crap job as the 2,000 got the jump on the Lannisters!
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I think I might start on the books once this season is over. Not sure I can wait for the seasons to come!
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Just a thought: did we actually see him die?
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No but you heard it.

Cracking bit of telly, knew Ned was in trouble when old fella had a word at the wall and wasn't surprised to see Joffrey be an utter ****. I can only presume the kid gets his in some gruesome way somewhere down the line.

Will be hitting the books as soon as next weeks has aired.
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