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Old 18-05-2020, 13:06   #241
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And, seemingly, no complaints from Hearts either despite being only 4 points from safety with 6 games to go.

EDIT: Actually, some are saying they are threatening to sue.

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Old 19-05-2020, 16:29   #242
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6 members of staff test positive with PL clubs, shocker.
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Old 19-05-2020, 17:19   #243
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That's actually very low - similar to the Bundesliga results - 0.75% of the 798 people tested. And those 6 come from 3 clubs (who haven't been named). This means that 16 teams are Covid-19 free (one team didn't do their test til today) and the very worse case, currently, is that 1 team has 4 members of staff who tested positive.

And for a positive spin on it ... that is 6 people who now know they have Covid-19 wholly because of Project Restart. Without Project Restart they would be at home, or out and about, spreading it to others

Maybe Deaney should have gone to training - he would have known by now if he has it or not

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Old 19-05-2020, 17:22   #244
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Plus, the whole point of testing now is so they can isolate and be all clear when the league supposedly restarts.
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The problem is that 4 of those 6 are from Liverpool and they are Salah, Mane, Firmino and van Dijk.

(only joking, Liverpool will obviously get enough points without any of those anyway!).
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Old 19-05-2020, 20:58   #246
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One of them is the Burnley assistant manager.
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Old 19-05-2020, 21:11   #247
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Ooh, yeah, just seen that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52732281
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Old 20-05-2020, 07:00   #248
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Maybe Deaney should have gone to training - he would have known by now if he has it or not
Suspect he has been tested anyway. One of those who tested positive was a Watford player and Deeney has cited concerns about BAME players being more at risk, plus he has a baby with breathing difficulties


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Old 20-05-2020, 07:14   #249
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Suspect he has been tested anyway. One of those who tested positive was a Watford player and Deeney has cited concerns about BAME players being more at risk, plus he has a baby with breathing difficulties





https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397
Three members of staff from the same club probably also says a lot about the safety protocols, or rather lack of, at that club.

His BAME excuse, in this scenario, is total nonsense. Covid-19 doesn't care about skin colour ( if it did the Caribbean would have been wiped out by now ). The BAME skewed data is more to do with the number of BAME workers in the NHS and the life style / living conditions of BAME ( if you know what I mean ).

What is particularly laughable about Deaney is, if his motives are sincere, then why has no asked him why he hasn't retired yet cos he has no chance of playing again, under his conditions, for years.
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The Office for National Statistics says black men and women are nearly twice as likely to die from coronavirus as white people in England and Wales.

Doesn’t matter if they are NHS staff or there living conditions etc if those are the facts.

I would say all the clubs have pretty good safety measures in place, the issue is more likely to be down to players not being able to obey the rules as we have seen so many times in the press. Clubs can set as much in place as they want but if players can’t obey the rules then infection will get into the clubs.
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The Office for National Statistics says black men and women are nearly twice as likely to die from coronavirus as white people in England and Wales.

Doesn’t matter if they are NHS staff or there living conditions etc if those are the facts.
Of course it matters LOL - hence the Caribbean reference. The stats are skewed by those criteria. A true comparison can only be obtained by counting the results for black and non-black people living/working under the same conditions.

Your statement makes it sound like there is a simple skin pigment related genetic condition that, alone, makes you twice as likely to get Covid-19 as some one else. There is no evidence to back this up that I have seen.

Stats will tell you that more black people are killed by crocodiles than white people. That doesn't mean crocodiles are fussy in their choice of meat; it just means black people are more likely to be in the position where they can be killed by crocodiles, ergo, more of them are.

Similarly the R number is skewed because it lumps in care home stats ( where the R number is going to be overly high anyway ) with the R number for everyone else.


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I would say all the clubs have pretty good safety measures in place, the issue is more likely to be down to players not being able to obey the rules as we have seen so many times in the press. Clubs can set as much in place as they want but if players can’t obey the rules then infection will get into the clubs.
That is true; the level of personal responsibility from some of these players is laughable.

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Three members of staff from the same club probably also says a lot about the safety protocols, or rather lack of, at that club.

His BAME excuse, in this scenario, is total nonsense. Covid-19 doesn't care about skin colour ( if it did the Caribbean would have been wiped out by now ). The BAME skewed data is more to do with the number of BAME workers in the NHS and the life style / living conditions of BAME ( if you know what I mean ).

What is particularly laughable about Deaney is, if his motives are sincere, then why has no asked him why he hasn't retired yet cos he has no chance of playing again, under his conditions, for years.
FFS seriously? Notice you dont mention his other reasoning, or is that because its not laughable and serious for him?

He has a young child with breathing difficulties, so essentially a pre-exising condition which would be dangerous for them to catch Covid.

'Laughable'
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FFS seriously? Notice you dont mention his other reasoning, or is that because its not laughable and serious for him?



He has a young child with breathing difficulties, so essentially a pre-exising condition which would be dangerous for them to catch Covid.



'Laughable'
LOL.

You make it sound like Deaney is the only non-essential worker in the country who is being asked to do this. And that's before you even consider the claims that the child, he is talking about, lives his ex rather than him ( and his current partner ). And if he is that concerned about them why didn't he mention them the first time he went bleating to the media just a few days before ?

Quite frankly anyone, in his alleged situation, would surely be jumping at the chance of a free test that proves whether he is a risk or not ?
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They should give them danger money.You know, like an income top up.
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Next people will be saying that BAME people suffer more from sickle cell - how ridiculous!

Of course it's possible for a disease to affect one ethnicity more than others.
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Next people will be saying that BAME people suffer more from sickle cell - how ridiculous!

Of course it's possible for a disease to affect one ethnicity more than others.
It's a correlation != causation thing.

with SC, there's a cause, a genetic one. That's not been found for CV19.

Still, I think if I fell into a racial category the data said was more affected I'd stay more alert too.
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LOL.

You make it sound like Deaney is the only non-essential worker in the country who is being asked to do this.
Non essential workers are only being advised to go back to work if they can safely social distance. That's just not possible playing a game of football!! I do agree that they can probably resume training in some sort of capacity as it's a fairly well controlled environment though.

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LOL.

You make it sound like Deaney is the only non-essential worker in the country who is being asked to do this. And that's before you even consider the claims that the child, he is talking about, lives his ex rather than him ( and his current partner ). And if he is that concerned about them why didn't he mention them the first time he went bleating to the media just a few days before ?

Are you saying he is lying about being worried about his child getting poorly?
If this was a Kop player saying this you wouldn't be saying it with such hilarity.

If your job didn't force you to work and you had the option not to with a potentially at risk child at home you wouldn't have something to say about it?

Perhaps you do i can come along and laugh at you for being concerned.

Once again you're falling into the trap that football as a profession is still just a job to the players and they are still just normal people, they shouldn't be talked about any differently.

Its why its always amusing that fans laud a home town players, supports the club through thick and thin however when the club is doing crap and they're offered to double their money to move elsewhere they'll always do it, its just a job to them.
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Next people will be saying that BAME people suffer more from sickle cell - how ridiculous!

Of course it's possible for a disease to affect one ethnicity more than others.
Yes there is but, as basegreen put more succinctly than my first attempt , no genetic link has so far been found.

It is purely based on the number of deaths.

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Are you saying he is lying about being worried about his child getting poorly?
If this was a Kop player saying this you wouldn't be saying it with such hilarity.

If your job didn't force you to work and you had the option not to with a potentially at risk child at home you wouldn't have something to say about it?
The point you seem to be missing in all this is that Deaney's original stance [ and I admit it's difficult to keep track as he keeps moving the goal posts ] is that no footballer should be going back. And that was his stance after the Government had told every other non-essential worker to return to work if they could.

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Once again you're falling into the trap that football as a profession is still just a job to the players and they are still just normal people, they shouldn't be talked about any differently.
LOL - this again. FOOTBALLERS ARE NO DIFFERENT TO EVERY OTHER NON-ESSENTIAL WORKER SO THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONSTRAINTS/RULES AS EVERYONE ELSE. The only difference between them is their pay is bigger by several orders of magnitude and the risk of them getting infected at work is smaller, again, by several orders of magnitude.

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Yes there is but, as basegreen put more succinctly than my first attempt , no genetic link has so far been found.

It is purely based on the number of deaths.



The point you seem to be missing in all this is that Deaney's original stance [ and I admit it's difficult to keep track as he keeps moving the goal posts ] is that no footballer should be going back.



LOL - this again. FOOTBALLERS ARE NO DIFFERENT TO EVERY OTHER NON-ESSENTIAL WORKER SO THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONSTRAINTS/RULES AS EVERYONE ELSE. The only difference between them is their pay is bigger by several orders of magnitude and the risk of them getting infected at work is smaller, again, by several orders of magnitude.
Why is it laughable Deaney is worried about his child and do you claim he is lying?

Whether he sees them once a day or once a week, that is the question you keep ignoring.
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